Does the fact that Dawson rehydrated to 185 lbs...

Proper weight? For these guys who leap frog over divisions or when you have two GREAT figters where a weight class separates the two, someone has got to give...or they have to meet in the middle at a catch weight that both sides agree with.

Once the decision has been made to fight....the excuses are out the window. As a man...as a professional prize fighter you own up to your decision to fight...who you fight, at what weight is a choice....It's up to the combatants and teams to work on proper conditioning, nutrition and timing to ensure their fighters are in the best possible shape by fight night.

There are so many ways to train and condition the body and mind for fights that are at higher or lower weights. Their are problems with jumping up or cutting weight, but the risk are on both sides.

We aren't talking about jumping up 20 lbs...we aren't talking about cutting 10 lbs. Some fighters who are naturally bigger men who CUT weight to gain an advantage would have more trouble shaving off 3 or 4 pounds...or guys that JUMP up 2 or 3 weight classes would have a hard time putting on the muscle while keeping their speed and stamina.

The fact is I don't like the excuses from fans or from the fighters who end up on the other side of a "WIN". It's in poor taste and makes them look bad as professionals.

 

Ward would beat him at any weight. Better boxes, simple as.

 

So the fact that Paquiao was heavier on fight night doesn't mean anything? atsch

 

In most cases......fighters who DON'T balloon up in weight on fight night are the better conditioned fighters...guys like PAC, Floyd and Nard never balloon up before fights or on fight night. DLH didn't balloon up in weight because they went at cutting weight to fight PAC from a more intelligent approach.

They incorporated a doctor to devise the perfect nutrition plan for DLH to drop 3 pounds from where he came in for the Forbes fight...six months prior to his fight with PAC at 147. Nacho and the strength & conditioning coach for DLH said he was in great physical condition....DLH didn't make any excuses right after the fight or weeks proceeding the fight.....but he was embarrased....he quit....he got beat up....by a much smaller man that no one gave a chance to even look compeitive.

He finally said that he was drained during a 24/7 episode where he was talking to Victor Ortiz...but that contradicted the people who claimed otherwise.

 

That's why this fight didn't get much light.

 

Anyone with a set of functioning eyes can see Dawson looks lethargic in every fight. The man was has trouble pulling the trigger.

 

The silly thing is how many lies Dawson told to justify the fight. He said he shows up at camp at like 178....but then we hear he "rehydrated" to 185? If the dude "rehydrates" to the same weight as he would "rehydate" to as a light heavy, then he had absolutely no business at SMW.

I'm not sure I buy so much weight gain in 1 day....but if it's true he went from 168 to 185 in 24 hrs then it doesn't take a genius to see why he had no punch resistance. That would be exhausting for anyone.

Dawson should fight 1-2 more times at light heavy and then move up to cruiser for the rest of his career.

 

I know for a fact you don't have a masters in kinesiology and I don't understand why you keep bringing up supplements (supplEments) as if they have any relevance to anything. If you had any understanding about homeostasis of the body you wouldn't be saying this nonsense. You don't just have a drink and hey everything is back to normal, you disrupt the body abruptly and there is always a bounce back effect. To replenish glycogen and electrolyte levels adequately you require 24-48 hours, the more you lose the closer you get to that 48 hours.. add in disruptions to neurotransmitter processes contributing to cognitive/psychological issues and you have an athlete whose performance is sub-par.
That is how boxers lose weight in the final 24 hours before weigh in, they dehydrate themselves if they are fighting in a weight division below their training weight. There is no other way if they want to drop large amounts of weight. That's what being weight drained is, to say that it doesn't exist is absolutely ridiculous. Any exercise physiologist or sports nutritionist can tell you about it. Saying 'Weight drained' is a bit ambiguous but they'll know exactly what you're talking about.
Your talk about taking electrolyte supplements as if they're magical or necessary and modern methods by elite athletes as if they're physiologically different to college level athletes shows me that you are 100% talking out of your ass. This is basic sports nutrition. How do I know? Because I majored in sports nutrition at university.
I'm not taking anything away from Ward by the way, and I don't happen to believe that Dawson was seriously weight drained.

 

This, and the fact that he barely threw a punch after the 4th. Normally Dawson is a pretty active fighter. For instance, 67 punches a round vs Johnson. Sure, it's a lot more difficult to get your punches off against Ward, but one would expect at least ~45 punches a round. I don't have the punch stats, but I'd be surprised if he threw more than 30 per round after the 4th, and none had any steam behind them. I think Ward would've won regardless, but it would've at least been more competitive.This is boxing where anything can happen, but a fairly durable guy being hurt by every shot from a smaller opponent who is not known for his power? In addition to barely throwing any punches yourself? Dawson was certainly affected by the weight loss.

Anyone remember Byrd taking punches from monster hitters like Tua, McCline, both Klitschkos (for many rounds), only to be stopped by a relatively mediocre puncher (and boxer) at LHW? Being weight drained severely decreases punch resistance.

 

It's a well established fact that weight loss of more than .5-1kg a week results in a loss of lean mass.
You metabolise amino acids all the time, if you're energy deficient that proportion becomes greater hence the loss of muscle. Any weight loss results in muscle mass lost to some extent.
Where did you get your masters from?

 

Weighing in 168 for the first time in several years surely had some effect, but people need to stop trying to diminish Ward's accomplishment with that.

It isn't like Ward asked him to come down. It was Dawson's own idea for it to even happen. He called out Ward and expressed his willingness & eagerness to drop a division to make it happen, in his victory interview after the Hopkins rematch. People forget that. He also said he was happy to go to Oakland to do it. People forget that.

If it was Ward dangling a big payday in front of his face and saying he had to cut weight and come into his backyard or no deal, then it would be fair to criticize Ward. Dawson made those concessions publicly, unsolicited of his own volition, before negotiations had even begun.

It also didn't appear that Dawson in the first two rounds was in much different form than he'd been in the Hopkins rematch.

Ward simply swiped his jab and starting to systematically tar and feather him. Dawson was mentally drained more than anything, shell-shocked by the realization very early on that he'd bit off more than he could chew.

And yeah, he was the heavier man in the ring, didn't appear physically weak, and the people who thought he looked unhealthy at the weigh-in are all on crack. :good

 

Byrd wasn't weight drained, he was body drained. He lost the weight poorly and obviously lost a lot of muscle mass, he was a walking cancer patient.

 

:deal

 

Yes.

Huge difference between how Byrd looked against George and how Dawson looked against Ward.

One just didn't look at all fit, vital & healthy, the other did.

 

so obviously you think Chad Dawson is ******ed, being that he is a professional athlete, he knows his body, he knows what to eat, what not to eat, how he feels near fighting weight and everything other thing involved with his nutrition and diet. hes paid to be in shape and has always been. you need to research on simple facts like the better man ****ing won. PERIOD.