Does the fact that Dawson rehydrated to 185 lbs...

IntentionalButt · Sep 11, 2012

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I find it funny that some people act like its such a sin for the best fighters in two different divisions to fight each other. Yes I think the weight affected him but he called him out at 168 so that's Dawson's fault. Guy got outboxed and beat up, end of. What if Dawson did that to Ward? He's too big now? Excuses can be used in either favor and its childish. Dawson accepted the loss and I can't see why detractors of this fight can't either especially since Dawson called him out at 168.

Many seem to forget that Pascal fought him at lt hvy and Dawson still struggled heavily with movement and got outboxed. Ward didn't move to that extent but he has a bigger will, better insidefighting, and makes better decisions which would always be factors at any weight.
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BatTheMan · Sep 11, 2012

It means little. Dawson was drained with at least 7 lbs of muscle and you cannot put on extra muscle in 24 hours.

Pimp C · Sep 11, 2012

He was drained but he said he could make the weight so no excuses.

Badbot · Sep 11, 2012

Dawson was never going to win that fight. Not at 175. He was drained.
Dawson has always been chinny and the hook that put him down was a good shot right on the button but he never recovered after that. It´s not like Ward has one punch KO and can turn a fight in a round. Dawson looked good in rounds 5 and on but he was mentally done and his body could not recover.
Reminds me of when Morales got tagged by Garcia. He was completely done. No energy left.
Hopefully we will get a rematch at 175 one day and see how legit this win was.

ludwig · Sep 11, 2012

It's significant that prior to the Pascal fight Dawson had been considering moving up to heavyweight.

But all along, apparently, he believed he could go for big fights at 168. He said as much in the first OTR intervew of him I heard (following the loss to Pascal). This belief is also reflected in the interviews Steward gave while he was training Dawson, where he said he had advised Dawson that he could be competitive at SMW-Cruiserweight. Now, I doubt Dawson will ever fight again at SMW and I won't be surprised if he moves to cruiser soon.

Scully did not seem enthusiastic about fighting Ward after Hopkins....Dawson should have listened to him.

The positive thing in all this for Dawson is he likely still has a LHW title and if not he can probably get a fight against Cloud or another titlist.

pistal47 · Sep 11, 2012

I think that the weight draining had a huge affect on his performance, but not so much on fight night but more during his camp. He may have rehydrated to his normal fighting weight but supposedly he was drained all training camp and took some serious beatings because of it, which I think had a serious affect on him once fight night came.

haworths623 · Sep 11, 2012

I have no doubt Dawson would have been better at 175, but he would have still lost convincingly and wouldn't be a champion anymore. Ward is just a superior fighter.

klion22 · Sep 11, 2012

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If DLH was a mess going into the fight he should have called it off....But to this day Nacho who was his head trainer and oversaw his training camp said DLH was in great condition...he gave props to PAC simply stating he was too fast and the better fighter that night.

When fighters BALLOON up in weight after weigh in or after fights it shows the athlete did NOT lose the weight the proper way...it usually indicates cutting weight in a very unhealthy way that did not incorporate the proper conditioning nor nutrition.

When you look at the top fighters who are the pinnacle conditioning you see they only gain a few pounds after weigh in...guys like Nard....Floyd and PAC never balloon up after weigh in...Why...because they stay in shape, have the proper strengthening, conditioning and nutrition to make the division limit.

DLH incorporated all the proper elements in preparing for his fight with PAC...even going as far as hiring a doctor to go about his camp from a more scientific approach that was ideal for the physiological make up of his body.

I was VERY surprised PAC won....not only that how dominant he was. I LOST money on that fight but the loss was a factor of a few things....Styles make fights...DLH slowing down facing a faster fighter in PAC and simply giving up resulted in the outcome.

Think of it this way....the punishment DLH took over 8 rounds would have ended A LOT earlier if DLH was on an IV, drained and depleted.

Fighters who take that kind of punishment and last 8, 10...12 rounds have to be in great condition because your legs are like jelly if your conditioning isn't up to par....

I'm not saying that DLH wouldn't have wiped the floor with PAC had Oscar be prime...because that would have been a possible outcome...DLH was much better years before PAC retired him....but DLH was still a top fighter when he faced PAC...and even when he faced Floyd months before.
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You're talking about two different things between elite fighters who stay close to their ring weight to draining your body to unhealthy levels. I agree that Dlh appeared to be fine heading into the fight but the weigh in and in ring weight saids it all. Most people, including myself, who picked Dlh to win did so based on the assumption that he would have a sizeable weight advantage in the ring. But Pac outweighed Dlh. He simply wasn't right. But having said that, it was still a heck of a win and performance.

TheGreat · Sep 11, 2012

Dawson got his ass kicked, no excuses, if he thought the weight was an issue, than he should have stayed at LHW.

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