Does the fact that Jack Johnson era fighters were drying out exclude them from h2h?

B. E .has Court Jester status,and as such is inviolate.

You on the other hand.......

 

Hey, there was a near three year gap between our join dates, who do you suppose filled that niche in the B.B.E. era?

I wasn't always typecast as 'the RBR dude'.

 

I think it's perhaps all the preamble that goes with it.
And how pissed off you feel when you haven't had a jump for a few weeks.
You'd probably sleep a lot better after some gentle fellatio , than lying in bed making tents.:yep

 

I seem to have been remiss in my appreciation of you.
Apologies.







Sweetie.

 

...uh.

That makes two consecutive instances of (perhaps imagined?) snark you've thrown me... do we have a problem I wasn't aware of? (kinda thought we had a congenial - or at least, to borrow from BE, ambivalopteryx - history at worst) - or is this just a case of respected Classic posters closing ranks to defend their own against perceived attack by an outsider (which, ouch! :! ...or am I jumping at shadows?

I don't know, I just figured both klompton's views and my own opposing ones regarding fight film footage (and the merits of it being hoarded and/or changing hands solely amongst private traders or sold vs. being freely disseminated for posterity and preservation through new media; with me landing on the "anyone calling themselves a boxing historian/collector should also be, in practice if possible within their available means and free time, and in spirit at the very least, a boxing archivist, in the sense of working towards permanent and public archival...or else they can eat a bag of dicks" side of the fence) were enough well known, with both of us being fairly outspoken regarding the issue, that I could afford to shoot a bit of light needling his way in passing mention without any backlash, except from old grumpton himself. I...figured wrong?

 

Just because you might be being paranoid here, IB, doesn't mean they're not "closing ranks."


Still, it's doubtful, given the bizarre and butthurt bellyaching of K2 at the rather innocent suggestion in the OP.

 

:err

Alright...so mcvey isn't to your knowledge a kindred fight-miser spirit with K2? It occurred to me I don't actually know his status as far as that insular hoarding culture goes. That could explain the sudden buzz of the hornets' nest!

 

Here we go again. And who is butt hurt? There is a big difference between hoarding and actually wanting to keep something youve invested 1000s of dollars in reasonably valuable. Weve been over this and over this and frankly not one single person who whines about it has ever been able to put forth a convincing argument as why I shouldnt keep I work hard for off of Youtube.

 

Hi Klompy.

So if you died in your sleep tonight, what exactly was the point? :think

Do all your 1000's invested not become a waste if you don't put the fruits of your labors into the public domain (which is where you would feel they belonged if you cared about the sport and current and future ggenerations of the fraternity that is boxing Fandom more than you care about feeling like a special unique snowflake - or eventually getting a return on investment with a big sale to a collector as eager as they are deep-pocketed...or whatever your endgame is) during your lifetime?


I bet you have a 500 page contemporaneous original manuscript on the intentional dehydration practices of fighters a century ago right on your desk at this very moment, using it as a mousepad out of spite and with an open can of grape Fanta sitting right on top. :bart


"Miiiiiiiine...all mine. My preeeecious..."

 

Didn't Foreman do the same?

 

Are you willing to pay hundreds of dollars for the privilege of viewing fight footage?

 

Privilege, lol.


Watching boxing in any manner (live in person, on TV, on Youtube, whatever) is a privilege for any true fan but who is the arbiter of it being a "privilege" to view stuff that could - and for historical purposes, should - be in public domain?

 

That isn't Klompton's fault.

When you buy a copy from a film library, you are logged. If they don't want to share, and you put it on youtube, then they put 2 & 2 together and you are ****ed.

He puts the money and effort in, and doesn't deserve to be chastised for not sharing freely.

 

Well, everybody involved in the whole "keep it off Youtube" culture, from the film library owners having such draconian policies (if that's even true) down to grunt-line enablers like K - mere helpless pawn of the system though he may be - is at fault. To what degree is really immaterial - you're either philosophically on board with embracing new technology having made it entirely possible for the entirety of non-modern footage (to which nobody has a tangible claim of intellectual property the way Showtime for instance will have on this weekend's PPV...but which, if and when Showtime ever ceases to be an entity, really ought to enter the public domain and be fully up on YT or whatever equivalent is around to be referenced as needed) to be openly accessible to all fans and historians, or you're not and you're living in the past and unable to let go of the idea that such footage is to be treated like a salable or bartered commodity from which someone is being "deprived" their just due if they can't turn a buck off happening to have exclusive possession of.

That whole viewpoint is obsolete, and clinging stubbornly to it runs contrary to being a part of the boxing community.

So yeah, if a select few want to keep all that stuff amongst themselves, only changing hands for money or for something esteemed to be of equal rarity or value, and never seeing the light of day for every Tom Dick and Harry that loves the sport to see (when it easily could, if all the hoarders in unison just gave up the ghost) - that is fine. Their prerogative. I'm not saying they should be arrested or sent to Abu Ghraib (where some folks get tortured, y'know) - but do they deserved to be chastised for being assholes? Yes, absolutely. Just as much the prerogative of everybody outside that culture to judge and chastise them for putting their pettiness above what seems like a pretty obvious cause for all fans to rally around (that is, every scrap of footage being out there, omnibus, with no price tag and no hassle)

I'm not saying the effort put in deserves no respect or consideration, but these aren't precious gemstones that klompton - or the film library owners - put their life in peril obtaining. It's ****ing video of fights. Outside boxing fans, nobody cares. So for a small minority of fans (and I use that word loosely in their case) to deprive the rest - who aren't even a significant enough market to be worth bending over the supply-and-demand barrel - of stuff they could easily just contribute to digitizing and spreading across the web in a public service (which shouldn't feel like some thankless chore if you're really first and foremost a fan and then a shyster) before it gets lost/damaged/whatever...it sucks. I'm right to say it sucks, and that anybody who is party to extending that kind of culture sucks.

They aren't legally obligated in any way to put it all up - but if they want to still call themselves boxing fans and not "vultures who predate on boxing fans" they are kinda duty-bound to come through. :conf


100 years from now, sorry, but all of klomton's money, time and effort won't matter. To anyone. Nothing he ever did, or you or I ever did in our lives will matter all that much. However, if stuff gets lost or destroyed because it was hoarded instead of shared, now, when technology exists to facilitate sharing it with future generations - that's a bigger tragedy IMO than somebody putting in some work for no material gain (because, you know, some people actually do sometimes do stuff just because they're passionate about it...)

 

From my experience, when you purchase this stuff from legitimate companies they tell you not to share it.

So blame them, not Klompton.

Or do your own research, spend your own money, and share it freely.

By the way; I've shared plenty of stuff that I've spent my hard earned on.