does the fighter make the trainer or does the trainer make the fighter?

The really good trainers are very underrated. There is nothing more important than a good trainer, or a good coach in sports. Without them, it is impossible to win.

 

it goes both ways.

 

I've seen some horrendous and crude fighters be turned into prety good technicians when they hooked up with a good trainer. I've never seen a good fighter make a bad trainer into a good trainer. You see what I'm getting at?

The trainer makes the fighter. Without good schooling none of the top fighters in the world would be half as good as they are today.

 

Roach : Give the fighters the credit — trainers are overrated.

"We guide our fighters in the right direction but it's up to them to implement the gameplan.

"It's the same with me, Manny makes me look good."

 

they make each other- its like a marriage.

 

Pretty much.

I look at like this, The trainer makes the script but it's up to the fighter to act basically.

Only very rare talents are good enough to do it solo. RJJ pretty much used the minute in between rounds to talk to Jim Lampley.

 

A good trainer can make you the best you potentially can become, whether your best is good enough is a different matter.

 

well, i think sometimes it goes one way...sometimes the other. it all, i think, depends on the confidence and natural talent of the fighter. a superb athlete with an unbendable will and sense of his own strengths will, almost every time, just go out there and do it his way no matter what is told to him in his corner or in camp, no matter how forceful the trainer.

shane mosley has been digging in and banging with guys, taking the hard way most of his career because he is a pure warrior and he likes to fight...neither his father, nor anyone else once they split could train that out of him, even in order to win more, bigger fights and take less punishment. shane knew he was a world class fighter in the depths of him and he was going to do it his way. nevermind that he had the speed and technical acumen to take a middle path. he never wanted to change...so he never changed.

on the other hand, arturo gatti for all his bloody revels that gave us so many thrills, knew he could box, but he wanted a trainer to beat the habits of self-preservation into him...he was willing to change to protect himself a bit and prolong his career. buddy mcgirt was able to help transform him and take him to some terrific victories because buddy's an excellent trainer who knows the game, but, i think mostly because thunder was willing to listen. thunder was willing to listen, in part, because he knew in some large way that he was no world beater, no matter how impossibly tough and brave he was.

if a fighter isn't willing, he'll die in there needlessly before he'll change.

 

I think the true way a trainer earns his money is during the fight. I've always had a true appreciation for Nacho Beristain and his ability to adjust during the fight. Almost all of his fighters can adapt because he trains them to do such. Even lower level younger guys who aren't anywhere near the top of the heap (Vincente Escobedo) can adapt better than some of the guys who we'd consider to be in the top 20 or so P4P.

It's an amazing trait and something that you don't even think about until you see it first hand.

 

very true. i have always been interested in the intangible talent trainers either have or do not have to get guys to listen to them and make the neccessary adjustments during the fight. it's strange because a trainer who can do this, like nacho (good call on that), can usually do it with all his fighters regardless of their personalities or styles or records or level of opposition. it's impressive to see because most trainers have little active use in the corner, once the fight starts, aside from keeping the ref in check about questionable calls and dirty tactics. i wonder what gives a trainer that thing that makes it work during a bout?

 

A fighter starts off knowing zilch about fighting or technique. The trainer makes the fighter.

The fighter then learns his trade from the trainer.The fighter makes the trainer.

Freddie Roach knows his fighter is good and doesnt have to puff out his chest to get attention because he is a good coach and gets his satisfaction watching his boy executing what they been working on in the ring and winning because of it.

The biggest pat on the back he can get is by his boy winning the next fight. I like that he said the fighter makes the trainer....i bet most fighters say its the trainer that makes him what he is.

Unless it Floyd Snr......A true showman if ever there was one. :hat:hey:roll:

 

I think that a good trainer can save a fighter from himself in many ways. The skilled fighter who just wants to slug it out in the middle of the ring is his own worst enemy if he can mix in boxing skills (assuming that he has them of course). The trainer can add years to the fighters career by employing more boxing and less slugging in gameplans (i.e. McGirt and Gatti). Outside the ring the trainer can be a good influence in decision-making (personal choices, health and diet, training regimens). If the fighter and the trainer are a good match and there is mutual trust in what they want to accomplish and how they want to accomplish it, there can be times when the success of each is contingent on the other. The fighter is doing the fighting but good cornerwork never hurts.

 

I think the trainers matter when they get a fighter to a title after getting them as amatuers. Emanual Steward with Hearns deserves credit. Angelo Dundee with Leonard deserves none. I know Angelo said your blowing it son and Leonard stopped Hearns, but Ray was not that aggressive until he hurt Hearns. Then he pored it on.