does the fighter make the trainer or does the trainer make the fighter?

Depends when you get the fighter. If you have a rough diamond and polish it - they both make each other. The trainer takes credit for the vast improvement and the fighter for be willing to learn and putting the plans into practice.

I think if you suddenly start training Mayweather or Marquez its not exactly a huge achievement to win. In this scenario the fighter definitely takes most of the credit, the trainer a small amount, especially if unique tactics were put into place.

 

Ideally, your better to have both, especially at the elite level but I think a good trainer could do more with a flawed fighter than vice versa because the flawed fighter is only gonna improve as long as he WANTS to get better where as a good fighter is likely gonna stay at the same level or fall behind without any knowledgeable advice & discipline as he is basically training himself & possibly even picking up bad habits believing them to be beneficial from his `trainer.`

 

Very interesting thread,mate! Well done and well spoken!

A good trainer is very important,but here on esb a lot of people seem to think that a trainer makes a fighter.Bull****!
An outstanding trainer may be the decisive factor whether a fighter will capture a world title and defend it a couple of times,but the best trainer out there cant really help a fighter who doesnt have the necessary talent and determination to capture one.
Gamboa is a good example.God blessed him with amazing talent.However,I very much doubt that he has trained under the best available trainer out there.Nevertheless,he is on the verge of capturing a world title.