Does the Ghost have a shot at beating Berto? (Technical thread)

didn't read Lolz

 

OK SJS, I've made my decision. My vcash is riding on your pick, as I'm completly stumped on this one. Have fun tomorrow as well.

 

Berto can be beat on the inside! Collazo and Ortiz both beat him on the inside and Berto could never adapt to the southpa stance. Only question is if hes big enough!

 

Has absolutely does have a shot. Albeit a slight one, but as shot none the less. And I base my opinion on a few factors:
1. I think Guerrero is the more talented of the two. He's more technically sound and better at ad******g to different situation. He's a better boxer, and a better fighter if it comes to sluggin it out.
2. I think he has more heart and definitely a better chin then Berto.
3. He's been waiting for this moment for his entire career. A chance to prove he belongs with the best. Berto on the other hand, was handed that position, and spoon fed opponents to defend against. I think the Ghost is a man on a mission right now.
4. Berto's performance vs. Southpaws isn't the best.

And the cons..
ghost wasn't a big hitter at any weight he's fought. And he's fighting someone who does possess pop in their punches. As well as excellent hand speed. But he can be sloppy, Ghostg has to take advantage of any mistakes berto makes.

That said, hate to say, I think Berto wins. But I'm rooting for Guerrero.

 

That is the stupidest ever write-up in ESB.

First start with the brain? What is he going to do with the brain? Pad it?

And if you actually mean he fights intelligently, or any other similar word, why start with the brain?

Guerrero will win. So much ado about your stupid analysis.

 

Refreshing thread to read as opposed to a lot of the threads on here.

I tend to agree with OP on a good few points. I think those tactics are fairly good, I'd target Berto's shoulder a bit, in clinches too, and aim to tire him. I do think its a hard fight to pick and Guerrero has a definite chance. I think he is probably the better boxer, its just a question of whether Berto is too big/strong for him. Hard to see how Berto will come back too after being out of the ring so long, but I'm not sure if he was anything majorly special to begin with. I'd tentatively go with Guerrero decision but wouldn't be surprised with a Berto KO/TKO victory: he is going to land at some stage in the fight, seems inevitable.

 

Guerrero had a shoulder injury suffered from Aydin fight right ? It's only his second fight at the weight, no ? Katsidis successfully caught him in the 2nd round of their fight, which indicates it will not be impossible for Berto to do the same. How did Guerrero looked against Aydin ? Jo Jo Dan a C, C- lvl fighter did a number on Aydin in the first fight when he was robbed, so Selcuk is at best a B- fighter, and Berto is clearly much better.

 

For Rob to win he'll have to have a strong jab that he's constantly working. He doesn't have the power to KO Berto (at least I don't think)...so he'll have to keep Andre at a distance that will allow him to catch Berto at the end of his punches.....essentially scoring points to win a decision. Of course using a lot of lateral movement and angles will be key to keep Andre off balance and out of position to land his power shots.

The problem for Rob is that Berto most likely will have no problem walking through his punches....which means for Robert to control distance he'll have to be working at a MUCH HIGHER work rate than he's accustomed to.....A lot of things can go wrong with being OVER aggressive or overly busy when it's not really your style. We could see Rob gas out....Rob could get caught with a shot because he's throwing more punches....giving Andre MORE opportunities to capitalize on openings....

I don't see Robert winning but I do think he'll give a good account of himself. The speed Andre has...coupled with the power will cause Rob a lot of issues in finding his rhythm. I see Andre taking 2 or 3 rounds to really begin walking Robert down and breaking him down.

Robert would be smart to go to the body often and early.....he may not have the power to KO Berto with head shots....but he could soften up the body enough to damage Andre late in the fight....if it happens to last that long.

 

Given the fact that no one on this site takes what you say very seriously, SJS should be honored that you took the time to insult his analysis. In a weird sort of way, doing actually validates it in the eyes of an objective observer.

And yes, starting with your brain does mean fighting smart. Anyone with basic literacy skills should be able to understand that. SJS then came up with an intelligent plan that Guerrero could use to carry himself to victory. Had you bothered to read past that first sentence before you started typing, then perhaps you might be able to provide some sport of constructive critcism beyond saying "lulz, dis is stoopid."

Anyway, the key to this fight is the fact that Berto is there to be hit, even at his best- and I suspect that his defensive ability may have eroded even further after a pretty long layoff. So, Guerrero will have pleny of chances to land early on his foe. He just has to find a way to get Berto's respect, and keep him from walking him down with impunity. If he can, he can bank enough rounds to win. If he can't, then Berto probably grinds him down and wins via late stoppage.

But I enjoyed the analysis, even if certain other posters are incapable of doing so.

 

Guerrero will start well I think he sweeps the first 3, Berto willl lack a bit of confidence without the PEDs and he's wide open to the straight left hand which is Guerreros money shot.

Guerrero will try and stay at range controlling the fight the with the jab and straight left circling away from the big right hand, he'd be crazy to try and fight on the inside given the size difference and he'd probably get headbutted to death like Collazo did.

I think the ghost takes this something like 116-112/117-111

 

The guy who wrote the above reply is a ******.

Its a more than decent write up, expressing his OPINION.

This guy replying clearly wasnt hugged enough as a child.... Either that or he recieved too many "special" hugs from Jimmy Saville.

 

I think the ghost wins. We really don't know just how good Berto is. Guerrero has a lot to prove, and he may even get a late stoppage. I'm betting on the man with the better boxing skills vs the man with no stamina, questionable chin, and ped user. This is a must win fight for the ghost, and he's gonna show up. Of course, I could be wrong and Berto flattens him. But my money is Robert.

 

Yeah, Quintana and Collazo both had Berto hurt at points, and neither of them could be classified as being huge punchers. Guerrero is naturally smaller, but has good punching fundamentals and is a pretty sharp puncher. It's possible that he catches Berto charging in with something he doesn't see and shakes him up early. If that happens, then I like Ghost's chances to win.