Does the Jermain Taylor apologism ever end?

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  1. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    Nobody's ever said Taylor's chin was great, only that it's not china like you make it out to be.

    Miranda's power is overrated. He couldn't put down Pavlik, who doesn't have a great chin, and he couldn't even finish off a guy who had a broken jaw for 8 rounds.
     
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    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Do you know that he has avoided punchers like the plague?
     
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    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Nobody has said its china, he has been stunned by the featherfisted - Pavlik has alot of power in both hands.

    Pavlik has a very good chin, which makes up for his rather poor defence.
     
  4. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Is that a fact? :think

    I thought I've read it in other websites and in print several times that Taylor never backs up from any fight? :roll:

    Well he is fighting Pav who has a high K.O. percentage now isn't that right?
     
  5. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Does Pavlik hit hard?
     
  6. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    I wouldn't say he has a very good chin. He was downed by Zertuche, and he'd been stunned in fights before that. Average to above average I'll accept, but very good is overdoing it, IMO. Like I said in my last post, it's tough to vbase his chin on the Miranda fight because Miranda's power is so overrated. He's one of those guys who looks like he's strong, and therefore everyone assumes he is strong. Pavlik is much stronger than Miranda.
     
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    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    1)Yes, thats a fact.

    2) Don't believe everything that is fed to you on other sites.

    3) Because he can't avoid yet another one. He is loosing popularity, because more and more realize that no. 2 is just an illusion.
     
  8. Carlos Primera

    Carlos Primera Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i dont care who wins. pavlik ko'ed my boy miranda so i dont mind if taylor ko's him. but i'm leaning on pavlik to win just cause taylor keeps his left low, dont move his head and does'nt like being pressed. on the other hand pavlik head is also stationary and has holes in his defense. taylor with the faster hands can take advantage of this if he's not gunshy. though i have a feeling that taylor will be lured into a gunfight (as he feels he's not getting respect and will be out to prove something), in this scenario pavliks reach, power and workrate should be the difference maker.
     
  9. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Does Pavlik hit hard?
     
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    His Ko-rate suggests it, and he doesn't seem to outbox his opponents.
     
  11. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    He really has no choice. If he were to duck the mandatory(Pavlik), he'd lose the belts, if he were to drop the belts and jump to 168, after specifically stating that he wants to stay at MW for a few more years as an excuse to give up the 6-7 million he'd earn for fighting Calzaghe in Las Vegas, that would make him look extremely bad and at SMW he'd have to take on someone dangerous or it would look like he was ducking Pavlik.

    This is something he couldn't avoid, so he has to give it his best shot and inevitably fail.
     
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    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    It's not that he lacks these, it's that he's B level in all of these save for athleticism, which he's A level in that, which is enough to be competitive with an aging P4P guy, as we all know.
     
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    Taylor/Pavlik Sept. 29th could've been Calzaghe/Taylor among other options. Really no need to question either man's heart, manhood etc...
     
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    When all else fails, start with namecalling - seemingly you have failed miserably since joining.
     
  15. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I know he hits hard (I have picked him to win). My point in asking the question is very simple though.

    It's suggested here that Pavlik will KO Taylor cuz Taylor has a weak chin. Getting stopped by a KO artist with very good, maybe even great (we don't know) power won't prove Taylor has a weak chin.

    People with weak chins get stopped by non punchers. If Hearns KO'd you, it didn't mean you had a weak chin....Hearns had great power and could stop fighters no one else could.