Does the Jermain Taylor apologism ever end?

Brother no matter what the media says . . . if a fighter wanted to make excuses then it won't affect him. That's a fact. Just like JMM not fighting Guzman, like JMM not weanting a rematch with Pacquaio 3 years ago, like DLH not wanting to fight PBF again and so on and so forth.

The fight is happening because Taylor wanted it . . . is it that hard for you to accept the fact of the case. :yep

 

Yeah right they are biased . . . unlike you? :think

Nah nah nah I never said Taylor was great and Pavlik is ****. I picked Taylor to win that's all, but I never spend time to degrade or insult any fighter. And I will never give credit to posters like you and Ams_t who spend time degrading fighters because of HATRED. If Pav wins it doesn't necessarily mean what you have said are all correct anyway. :yep

It's not hard to realize that he has never faced any puncher yet because the fighters on top were not big punchers . . . now Pavlik is the first one . . . isn't that right?

 

Oh yeah? Just like Winky refusing a rematch?

The fight is happening because it's the right fight and Taylor wanted it. :yep
That's very short dude . . . he wants to prove naysayers like you are completely wrong. :hey

 

1) I am not crowning myself as an expert - I am just giving my take. I never read "experts" opinons on other sites. I really don't care what they have to say, really. I like better to look for myself, and give my own take on the matter.

2) Good way to go about it. That is very honorable. However, I don't hate Taylor, I just feel that people are buying too much into his accomplishments. If people say that he is elite, and I know that he isn't then I respond to it. Don't you. Dont confuse hate with enlightenment.

3) That is right.

 

Yes, you are right - there is just the evidence of him not facing a ko puncher.

Despite him being big enough to fight at SMW, he fights at MW, and fights smaller guys - at least more often than not.

 

Taylor fought Hopkins twice. Hopkins is a big Middlewt with decent power.

He's fighting Pavlik, another big guy with KO power.

What form will your criticisms take if(when) Taylor defeats Pavlik, a good, still developing, B level fighter, by clear UD or very possibly, by stoppage?

 

I believe that Taylor is not a P4P level fighter, he just happened on the right bouts at the right time. However I do not agree that he is an "overated scumbag" or with any other preposterous claims I've read in this thread; I simply believe that if he does run into a smooth boxer, or a puncher with at least decent accuracy (is Pavlik one of these? we still don't know tbh, as Miranda himself does not know what defence is..) he would lose.

His chances of success at higher weights (I define success on a P4P scale, in terms of beating the #1-#3 at the weights) are very marginal.

 

He does and is and has...

Some people mainly hate on Taylor because he has two wins over their boy, Hopkins. This type of fan is known as a "mark". These Johnny come lately fans were told Bernard was great...so they watched a few of his fights and latched onto him as one of their faves.

and their favorite got beat.

You guys know how it goes. It's the same old ****.

That's all there is to it. Taylor is a fighting champion who hasn't ducked anyone. Big deal some close decisions went his way. That happens in Boxing you know...

and for the record....you're not a REAL Hopkins fan unless you watched him come up and liked him before he beat Tito. THAT'S when it was cool to be an X fan.

 

its gonna be greart amsterdam when pavlik gets knocked out. i will never let you live this one down as long as you are on this board.

 

I agree that Taylor has done his job, i think he won both Hops fights, and he is not to be discredited. But as far as the argument on whether he could have avoided Pav, it's the same scenario as Oleg and Peter. People are all over Maskaev because Peter fought TWO eliminators to get his shot. Now Pavlik has fought TWO eliminators to get his and if Taylor would have fought anyone else, he would have been hammered. Pavlik KO 7.

 

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well its hard to unload when you are taylor and....

a: you are fighting hopkins who nullifies every offense there could possibly be by pushing, headbutting, using pitty arm punches (for points and to look good for the judgeS), etc... i mean he is the very definition of 'cagy vet'

b: you are fighting winky wright who - see above hopkins and is a southpaw with a high almost unpenetreble gaurd

c: you are fighting kassim ouma who seems to throw these weak ass arm punches all the time. no power but will defeinetly disrupt your big shots

d: you are fighting cory spinks whos 'run and hit' style will just never make anyone look good. i respect his skills though.

 

and after watching the countdown, i honestly have to say, pavlik winning the title would be something else. I mean this dude seems like one of your boys who would be fighting if they were going for the middleweight championship. Eats dinner at his parents, trains in his hometown, has the same trainer that he has had since he was 9, i mean he is one down to earth dude. Even though i have posted on here and belive that taylor will win by ko, i really dont care who wins this fight.