Does this destroy Wladimirs legacy?

As I recall, Haye, Chagaev, Byrd, Povetkin, Ibragimiv, Rahman, Mercer, Brewster all held a HW title of some description at some point and several on the list were beaten when holding a title by Wlad

Schulz looked unfortunate in some HW title fights, Botha was stripped of a HW title, Mormeck was a CW champ but Wlad beat all convincingly

 

Ali was shot to high heaven when he lost to Spinks & Berbick.

Klitchsko wasn't shot, and he lost to a guy famous for punching himself in the face.

 

It doesn't destroy it, but it takes a hit.

For me, it puts into perspective how weak the division is.

To all those people comparing Ali's loss to Leon, the difference is, Ali had visibly declined, whereas Vitali looked great against Pulev, and people were claiming easy victories over Fury and Wilder because of it, claiming he was still at the top of his game.

 

No but it does put it into perspective. Top 10 ATG is out of question.

 

Wlad needs to win the rematch.

 

Not destroyed but not as good as it could have been.

 

Yes, taints it obviously. Wlad looked very bad in there, and we all know Fury is a very mediocre fighter. That doesn't bode well for his ATG rankings, even if he wins the rematch.

 

His legacy of mediocrity?

 

95 percent of all Champions in history had size advantages over their opponents All the greatest American boxers in history were shorter than Wladimir Klitschko, and NOPE your argument falls through when you consider Wladimir has beaten tall and short opponents, and NO the current heavyweight scene has allot of diversity of short and tall fighters, there are many BIG men in the current heavyweight scene internationally, but being BIG does NOT make you a superior fighter. Your post was just as horrendous as my aunt Eliza's Turkey dinner. atsch

 

You don't have to go far to compare his legacy...:huh

Lennox Lewis legacy: Beating every man he faced, Last Undisputed Heavyweight Champion

Evander Holyfield: Two Division Undisputed World Champion

Mike Tyson: Youngest Undisputed Heavyweight Champion

 

His legacy was his longevity. Was always questions about how deep Wlad would dig. I think it hurts his legacy some in the short term. In the long term the loss gets buried because of his age. Probably would never be top 10 for many pundits, just because of those 3 ko losses when he was approaching his prime.

 

Doesn't help that's for sure.

 

Looked badly faded. What did Wlad throw 75 power punches? pretty pathetic loss, just a champ at the end of the line. if wlad had opened up on him he would have ended him.

 

I'm not sure this loss can hurt a legacy, which hinges on longevity alone. It perhaps clarifies the extent to which Wlad should or should not be considered an ATG.

If the most noteworthy aspect of one's Boxing legacy is the length of a reign, as opposed to say 'defining contests', then talk of all time greatness is unrealistic.

Anyone believing Wlad's legacy was that of an ATG should view this loss as having dented that idea.

 

No it doesn't. Wlad is pushing 40 and has been fading for a few fights now. Wlad was ready to look really bad overnight I just wasn't expecting Fury to be the one to take advantage of it.

A lot of other greats were retired before they got to Wlad's age- Ali, Louis, Frazier, Lewis, Marciano, Dempsey, etc.

The loss will look even less damaging if Fury goes on to a productive rest of his career. As of now he was a big undefeated guy rated in the top 5 by almost everyone. Couple that with Wlad's age and decline than it seems obvious this won't hurt him much.

It will end any chance of Wlad climbing any higher in the all time rankings. I think most rate Wlad around the 7-12 spots. This has to do with his longevity, dominance, and more quality wins than you might think. He's probably going to stay in that range after this loss with any chance of moving higher now gone.

The fight was horrible to watch even for Wlad's standards. I really really hope there is no rematch.