Does Tua beat Ali, too?

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Every style seems to have been bad for Tua, if the opponent was actually world class at the time.

    He got his chances against heavyweights who were not particularly big, heavyweights who were not particularly elusive, and heavyweights who were not particularly durable.

    The one consistent point is that he always came up short if the opponent was ranked.

    We would be more than justified in assuming that he would lose to Louis.
     
  2. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oh you mean it like that.

    In that case. That's Tuas only consolation. He went the distance.

    Lets give him a clap.

    Whatever Foreman looked like was still leagues above David plod plod Tua.
     
  3. mcvey

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    Tua had a jab he just didn't elect to use it much because his reach was so short. He also had decent lateral movement. Here is an early fight of his when he was just 21.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8SerA-eoHA
     
  4. Dubal Speek

    Dubal Speek Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree, Tua had a jab. He just needed the right opponent to use it against...which was so infrequent it appeared he had no jab.
     
  5. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Perry;17960090]You are insane.

    I never wrote Ali pushed OB off balance you moron. I wrote at 1.18 of the clip a left from Ali knocked him off balance. I then wrote at 2.14 of the clip Ali threw Bonavena to his knees. I have no interest in what you " think " happened, rather I watch what happened with my own eyes.

    Read above. Again I have no interest in what you think. Your claim was Frazier had " no right hand."

    For the third time what you " think " is of no consequence. When Ali and Pacheco state Ali was p!ssing blood after the Frazier fight due to damage of both kidneys I will take their word for it over yours, everyday of the week and twice on Sunday's.
     
  6. Azzer85

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    Ok he had a jab. Great. But unfortunately the man in the other corner is Muhammad Ali.
     
  7. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Three questions:

    1. Is Tua's left hook sharp?

    2. Is Tua's left hook significantly harder than Frazier's?

    3. Did Tua ever land it with great frequency?
     
  8. mcvey

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    I've said twice he doesn't beat Ali ,I'm just saying he had a jab and knew how to move laterally to close down fleeter footed opponents. He can be seen utilising both skills in several fights.
     
  9. mcvey

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    Video footage gives you the answer to your questions.
    1.Yes .Footage shows it was a quick shot
    2.Yes. He routinely had men in trouble from one big hook,Frazier generally ground them down
    3.Yes.Although as stated above he didn't often need to as a few of them often had his opponent on que*r street.
     
  10. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Then surely he has a good chance of beating Ali? If he has the ability to land it, and it's a sharp punch with more force than Frazier's, and given the fact that Frazier hurt Ali badly (especially in the 11th round in '71), Ali could be in real danger.
     
  11. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree, Kev. I did a thread on this a while ago, and commented on how bad Foreman was. Ali was very sharp and accurate, but bloody hell, Foreman was sloppy!
     
  12. Foxy 01

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    On the basis that Ali was KD'd by left hooks thrice there is every reason to believe Tua could do the same if he caught Ali with one. But we are talking Ali here, with great recuperative powers, and a very shrewd mind when in trouble. I don't see him having any problem tying Tua up until he fully recovers.
     
  13. mcvey

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    He would be in danger if it landed, but Tua did not have the ability to get into range as quick as Frazier'

    BTW Your disingenuousness doesn't fool me for a second.:-(
     
  14. Wass1985

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    Exactly and it was that quickness of getting in range that led Frazier to be world champion and David Tua to be an also ran......
     
  15. mcvey

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    He's an also ran who was ranked in the top ten for 8 consecutive years ,stopped 4 men who held versions of the title and finished with a 59 fight record that includes 43 kos , only 5 losses and 2 draws and a 73% ko record.Two of the losses came when he was well past prime at over 40, one to the reigning Champion Lewis the others to Ibeabuchi.and Byrd, both ranked contenders


    Not too shabby.