Does Tyson Ever Beat Holyfield?

Not in my opinion

 

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I have always taught about this. And I have come to some conclusions.It is a complicated issue. Yes and no , Evander does or does not lose to Mike.

TLR If Evander is allowed to constantly clinch, Evander beats every single version of Mike at any point in Evander's career. If Evander isn't allowed to clinch constantly, Mike knocks out every version of him besides 91 Holyfield, I believe this Holyfield beats Mike at any time,clinching or not because this Evander is an actual close range fighter that doesn't clinch all day and throws A LOT of punches. Evander didn't throw as much against Mike as he did in 91

How Evander would beat Every single Version of Tyson, Prime,or no prime:

The first thing is first. If Evander is allowed to clinch and clinch constantly, Mike can never beat any version of Evander, Rooney, Cus or whatever, it is just not his fight, and it is more problematic as Evander is not going to go backwards, so that makes the clinching a bigger problem as he can't even load up if he happens to land. The other problem with the clinching and the way it was used in both fights against Mike is that every single time Evander got hit by 1 punch ,he would clinch. He was confident in fighting Mike when he got punches in on Mike,but he just didn't have the confidence to actually trade. THIS IS THE CORE REASON WHY MIKE LOST THE FIGHTS AGAINST HIM.

Yes , the headbutts can make you black out, and I believe Mike when he said he did. He also was kneed in the head twice in the second fight,had a crapton of low blows. Yes these contributed to it,but it is not he primary reason why he lost.

How I believe Mike could beat Prime evander, and even beaten Evander when they fought:

If Evander isn't allowed to constantly hold, then he is in a SHITON of trouble. He is not gonna win this fight if he can't hold on every time Mike lands a punch under any circumstances. If Evander is penalized for the holding ,he is getting knocked out.

If you watch Evander's fight with George you willl know. George should have his boxing liscence suspended because he just hits too hard, if you watch Evander's fight with him in round 7, Evander is on the verge of being knocked out, the reason why he wasn't was because George gassed out. Now George is on a completly different level power wise than Mike,but Mike is still has A LOT of KOs.

If you watch Mike's fight with Evander in the 1st fight in Round 5, Evander was on the verge of being knocked out, HARDLY throwing any punches what so ever. Instead he is holding on for dear life , then the lose tape thing happened, and all of a sudden Evander is fighting back because he got recovery time. the first time Mike hit him with something where he didn't clinch immidiatly,he almost got knocked out,if you watch the round you will see what I mean.

In the 2nd fight, it is funny. in the 1st round, Evander is punching and very confident and isn't clinching much, then he does it again in the 2nd round. until about the last 30 seconds when Mike lands something and he is holding on for dear life. The before the bite, Mike is landing a lot and Evander isn't punching back, he is standing there not punching or he is clinching.

This tells me if Evander isn't allowed to clinch Mike knocks him out.

 

I wouldn't bet on it, but I think '91 Tyson of the Ruddock fights has a chance against peak heavyweight Holyfield. That fight is one of the biggest what-ifs in heavyweight boxing history -- would have answered a lot of questions pertaining to both guys regarding their skill and durability. Unfortunately Tyson was criminally minded and prison took away some of his best years.

 

Your obsession over this is really really strange

 

I'd pick Tyson from late 86 up until and including 88 to beat any version of Evander.

 

it's a fight I've been thinking about lately.

I just am bafflied at that someone is upset about someone discussing boxing on a boxing forum and didn't just scroll by

 

Could he win prime vs prime? Yes. Would he? Maybe not. Holyfield's game plan would've been a huge problem for Tyson no matter when they fought. Holyfield wouldn't back up, and Tyson liked retreating opponents so he could build momentum coming forward with his peak a boo stance firing sharp combinations. Tyson can't really get into his rhythm if the opponent stands his ground, pushes him back, throws strong punches down the middle, clinches and resets over and over. It's an ugly clash. Despite Tyson having the advantages in power, speed, etc, Holyfield's intangibles may have got him the win regardless. Plus he was flat out tougher than Tyson and wanted it more, fouls aside.

 

I think there was a short window during Tyson’s absolute peak where he could have. Talk of clinching and holding aside, I think Holyfield in general, for whatever reason, was simply a kryptonite opponent for Tyson, a la Norton for Ali.

 

This is how i see it

96 - zero chance imo ( Mike was still a good fighter, but he didnt have the mindset to deal with Holy)
91 - should have happened. I'd still favor Holy but Mike has a chance.
88/89 - I'd probably slightly favor Tyson.

 

I don't know. Tyson still was extremely fast, had ATG speed and punching power and an excellent chin. But, I think it depends on how Holyfield fights. Tyson hit harder than Bowe and had faster hands, but not the range. If Holyfield fights smart, he can win. If not, woe unto Holyfield.

 

Prime Tyson was a lot faster and a better boxer then when he fought Holyfield. Look at the fighters that were able to hit Holyfield on a consistent basis , now imagine prime Tyson. Holyfield would get hit a lot .

 

Maybe I was just bored. Your still obsessing though