Does Tyson run through Marcianos resume unbeaten ?

I haven't seen a single person argue that on this thread.

 

Rocky was only active for 8 years so the argument about comparing him with post prison Tyson is B.S.

I don't think Post Prison Tyson is as bad as some make out; for me he's pretty much like Tokyo Tyson, atleast until the Holyfield knock outs. He's still one of the quickest in the division and still one of the hardest hitting, he just doesn't have that same desire or hunger to push himself through a dark place.

My contention still remains that even that version beats Moore, ****ell and Charles.

I mean the only men who beat a Tyson worth mentioning are Douglas and Holyfield. Due to no fault of their own, they cewrly did not face the best Tyson, that's not to say the best Tyson would beat them, we just don't know. I am confident saying that pre prison, Tyson destroys Douglas in a rematch and, seeing the way Holy traded with Cooper, I reckon he beats him as well.

But it is what it is, and it is impossible for a LHW to survive against any version of Tyson from 97 or before.

 

Good thread guys. I enjoyed reading your posts, even if I didn't agree with what you wrote.

 

Tyson fought at a higher level for a longer amount of time and went to prison, hence why it took him so long to reach his 49th fight.

Rocky was a pro for what, 8 years? Tyson from 85-93 would blow through everyone Marciano fought, off-night or not.

 

Just like he was going to blow through Douglas and Holyfield on an off night?

I think people here are making the same mistake as the pundits made during his actual career.

They are buying into his aura of invincibility, and thinking that the normal laws of nature don’t apply to him.

 

Nah. I'm just being reasonable on how Tyson would match up with Marcianos opposition. Even if we assume that he doesn't train particularly hard for a bout, he's not facing some young, hungry opponents waiting to snatch his title away. He'd be facing shopworn veterans fighting above their natural weight-classes...

I don't even know why people are arguing an off-night would happen. Tyson wouldn't lose motivation before becoming champion, and Marciano only defended his title 6 times...Tyson defended it 9 times before losing.

 

Wasn't Tyson well past his best at that point as well? He had spent 4 years imprisoned. Didn't Holyfield fight the best fight of his career? I'd say it's arguable how "shopworn" he truly was.

That seems rather convenient. Tyson lost motivation after the Spinks fight because he had already ran through the division from top to bottom and felt he had nothing left to prove. He did that on his alphabet title run. I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt, and assume he wouldn't feel the same way after merely capturing the crown from a 37 year old man. I'd say it wouldn't be up until at least after the second Charles fight that he really starts losing the hunger. And at that point, he could probably afford an off-night unless you think good ol' Archie had enough left to upset the apple cart?

 

If Archie Moore was such defensive specialist, then I guess Yvon Durelle was a new Joe Gans or Joe Louis.

 

I don't see a particular reason why a defensive specialist would enjoy a lot of success against Tyson.

In my book, unless a fighter can physically match Tyson, he isn't beating him. You have got to have the size and strength to keep him at a preferred distance and smother him on the inside, the resistance to take his blows and the power to get his respect. These requirements of course need to be implemented in a solid gameplan too.

Craft alone may allow for brief success, but as Michael Spinks showed, it simply isn't enough. I cannot envision a scenario where Charles or Moore, with all their know-how and savvy, keep Tyson off them and outbox him. They would just be overwhelmed by a younger, bigger, more ferocious opponent.

I think the prize he wanted was recognition as the greatest heavyweight of all time, among other things. He just slipped up along the way, partly because in his mind he had eliminated all threats in the division, and started believing his own hype. I simply don't think he'd feel the same way immediately after the beating Walcott, in this scenario. I could understand such a proposition if Marciano had already fought and beaten a lot of top fighters before snatching the crown, but that's not the case. You're trying to tell me that Tyson would already start slacking off after his first big fight, and I disagree.

 

:yep:deal

 

Excellent assessment.

 

Moore was blown away by Patterson and Marciano, what chance does he have against a coke fuelled Tyson?

 

How's he gonna do that in jail?