Does Tyson run through Marcianos resume unbeaten ?

Of course people noticed the obvious.

What I have never seen however, is somebody suggesting that Douglas was a strong challenger?

That idea seems to have been rationalised, after he pulled the upset of the century.

 

It wouldn't have happened against Don C0ckell. :good

And how many 6'4" 230-pound boxer/punchers (like Douglas) did Marciano beat?

Um, none.:-(

There was a style that gave Tyson troubles. Marciano didn't beat too many guys with that style.

 

No one said that, I agree.

But given that Douglas did win you have to look at how and why.

Tyson might not have trained seriously, but he was still the quickest HW on the planet, still the hardest hitting HW on the planet, still as ripped as ever. Physical shape wise he was still at his peak, an abandonment of gameplan and tactics didn't take away any of his physical attributes.

What did take those attributes away was the foot speed of Douglas, the constant jab, the sharp combinations, the disciple to fight to a plan and the attributes to pull that plan off.

 

OK so we find ourselves at the age old question of whether Douglas trained up, or whether Tyson trained down.

I think that we have to accept that there was at least a substantial element of the latter.

 

Like most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

We all saw their shapes in their next fights, chances are Tyson would have destroyed him I'm a rematch given his condition.

That is not my point though, my point is that version of Tyson is still good enough to beat Rocky's contenders because noone has the attributes to take advantage like Douglas did.

 

I am not so sure that he is, or they don’t to be honest.

If you are a 5’ 10’’ head hunter with a short reach, then power and speed are generally not going to bail you out, against extremely adept defensive specialists.

To consistently beat guys like this, you either need to apply systematic pressure, or be a systematic finisher.

Just having a bomb in your right hand isn’t going to cut it!

 

He did apply systematic pressure and did systematically finish his opponent.

Despite being a lesser force he was still very formidable champion.

He would walk through Charles and Moore with brutal efficiency.

He wasn't able to walk through Douglas because he was too big and had too much movement plus enough power to eventually wear him down.

Charles and Moore wouldn't be able to pull it off imo.

Old Holmes would, I reckon. Given some warm up fights he probably could have done the job that night. Probably Tucker as well and maybe even Mercer.

That Tyson wasn't unbeatable obviously, because Douglas did beat him. But losing to Douglas doesn't translate into losing to a past prime Charles or Moore.

 

He abandoned his head movement and jab but he still had good punch selection and more then enough ****nal to take out a LHW.

A 220 pound physically prime Mike Tyson walks right through them just as he did with Spinks.

It's debatable whether the two are better p4p fighters than Tyson full stop, let alone facing a 30 pound disadvantage in weight.

I don't suggest he was capable. But he clearly was because he beat him. Not sure why you struggle with that tbh.

 

Train for the fight perhaps?

 

What fighters with Tyson's attributes did these guys ever beat? These cliches and rules that you keep making up in this thread are all completely hollow.

Guys like Walcott and Charles weren't nearly as hard to hit as the people in this forum sometimes pretend, especially for a man with even Tokyo Tyson's speed, and they weren't built to absorb the kind of punishment they'd sustain against Tyson. Neither of them would make it out of the first round if they fought Tyson the way they fought Marciano in their first fights (neither of them were floating like butterflies early in those fights).

 

They'd only have to for at least 6 or seven rounds after that Tyson isn't KOing Charles or Walcott.