Does winning the Colored Heavyweight Champ carry the weight as winning an Alpha Title?

Well, it was up to the champion and his manager for the most part to grant a title match, but one example is Frank Slavin. Born in Australia, John L Sullivan refused to fight him. Had Slavin been born in the USA, he might have upped his chances for the match.

Australia was something if a hotbed for boxing for a while. Their native black population, the Aboriginal people, came to form an isolated community of people. They were not very big and had many health issues once the Europeans arrived.

 

Then name all the "colored" fighters who were born outside of North America who fought for it.

Or am I totally confused about the 1880s and 1890s and you're going to tell me all black people in the world were born in North America?

 

I asked for colored heavyweight title. Of course there are some champions who refused to fight against certain opponents, but I've never heard anything that would suggest that someone from outside of North America couldn't become colored heavyweight champion.

 

You are insane, I literally explained you why most of them were from US and the rest was born in North America. Did you expect people from 1880s Africa fighting as pros? We have very few African boxers even today and the situation of black people was much tougher back then.

Honestly, I think that you argue only to argue because you bring nothing to the discussion.

 

You are digging in the weeds (start naming 1880s boxers from Africa?) and refusing to discuss the really simple question posed by the thread.

Do any alphabet orgs today prevent someone from fighting for a World title today based on the LIMITATIONS to compete for a COLORED title?

For all the griping and complaining in this thread, every "white" heavyweight champion (with the exception of Jack Dempsey and Gene Tunney) from 1900 to 1955 fought either Joe Louis or Jack Johnson - the two best black fighters of the first half of the 20th century - and some also fought Harry Wills, Larry Gains, George Godfrey and Peter Jackson.

All the best black fighters didn't get title shots. All the best white fighters didn't get title shots. All the best fighters from every country didn't get title shots. But, as in every decade of heavyweight boxing, most of the top guys fought most of the other top guys.

Everybody didn't fight everybody. That never happens. It didn't then. It doesn't now.

All the "white" men who held or would hold the heavyweight title back then didn't all decide to fight someone like the limited Battling Jim Johnson and say "DONE. I fought a black guy. Get off my back." Jeffries, Hart, Burns, Willard, Sharkey, Schmeling, Carnera, Baer, Braddock even Marciano (though the Colored title was gone then) fought the best black fighter of the day.

The colored title wasn't considered the WORLD title back then. And the Colored title - with its obvious restrictions to participate - wouldn't fly as a WORLD title today.

That's the point.

It's not on par with an Alphabet WORLD title today.

 

I discussed completey different problem than what is this thread about. Nevermind, I won't post in this thread again.

 

No I don’t think a black African or black English or Caribbean Black fighter would have been eliminated from fighting for the coloured title. It was a title for black people. Larry Gains was Canadian who immigrated to England then challenged for the coloured title. It was not a regional belt.

The coloured title represents the best black guy in the world. People of African ancestry.

 

Ever seen a statement saying only," blacks from North America can fight for the colored title?"

 

No, I never saw a statement that said only," blacks from North America can fight for the colored title?" have you?

 

Jackson and Felix were Australian.

 

No the coloured title is just the best black guy. At least it is the best something.

My argument is the WBC title should not be considered the World title either. It isn’t Always the best fighter in the World.

 

Never ,and I've never seen a human anatomical chart which has the liver in the centre of the stomach either! This guy just wants to argue for the sake of it.Sad.

 

If they brought out the “Moustache Title” at least we could know who the best guy in boxing with a moustache was.

 

Chisora was born in Zimbabwe, yet he fought for and won the British title. It doesn't matter where he was born, Peter Jackson was seen and known as an Australian.

The idea it was regionally restricted is even more absurd considering in tgat era it was common for people to go to a country as a foreigner and fight for the national title. Jem Mace, a Brit, won the American title from Tom Allen, another Brit.

Anyway, only a pretty small group can fight for the Lonsdale belt, anyone can fight for the IBO intercontinental belt. How many people can fight for a title is not a good measure of its worth.

 

Just because a cat is born in a cowshed it doesn’t become a cow. A Chinese guy is always a Chinese guy even if he was born in a space station in outer space.

White guys are ethnic Europeans no matter what passport they have. Black guys are ethically of African ancestry. Latinos remain Latino wherever they are born too.