Does winning the Colored Heavyweight Champ carry the weight as winning an Alpha Title?

Are you really that stupid, or do you just enjoy pretending?

Which countries had large numbers of black people, and high level boxers in this era?

What black contenders were frozen out of the colored title due to thier birthplace?

Anyway Joe Walcott wasn't born in north America, and fought for the Colored title.

Meanwhile Sam Langford won both the Australian and Mexican heavyweight titles.

 

*Backs away slowly*

 

Anyone in the world can fight for a WBC, WBA, IBF or WBO title. There are no restrictions.

And when Jack Johnson was the world champion, the colored champ wasn't even the best black fighter in the world or even the best black fighter from North America.

The colored title was more akin to a domestic or regional title. Sometimes it was on the line. Sometimes it wasn't, depending on who you were fighting and if they met certain qualifications. And even if they did meet certain qualifications, it wasn't always on the line. You could lose, but if it wasn't on the line, or the guy wasn't the right color, you were still champ. That's similar to regional or domestic belts today (excluding the color part).

 

What does that have to do with anything we're talking about?

 

But it is not a “world” title unless the whole world agrees.

 

In that case, when Johnson was champion, the coloured champion became the best black contender then.

The best black contender in the world is still universal and undisputed.

An ABC belt is not undisputed. It is not the best anything in the world.

 

Chisora is British and Peter Jackson was Australian.

Your claim that the colored title was restricted by region is total rubbish.

 

What? The whole world agrees?

The alphabet orgs have world titles and domestic/regional titles. Their are British titles, Commonwealth titles, Polish titles, Baltic titles, Pan Asian titles, blah blah.

To win a domestic title, or regional title, you need to meet certain local or regional criteria.

Anyone in the world can fight for a world title. There are no stipulations that you have to be from this part of the country or this race.

That's what I mean.

 

When was Chisora the Colored champ? (LOL)

And Peter Jackson was born in North America. I'm not going to type that again. He was.

 

Well, that's not true, because the colored champs routinely lost to other black fighters - and white fighters - but didn't lose their colored title because it wasn't on the line, like regional and domestic belts.

But whatever.

 

That was the same with real world titles too. Jake Lamotta lost fights as champion without the title on the line. Works both ways.

The coloured title is a useful tool regarding that era.

 

When was Jake Lamotta the heavyweight champion?

You're just arguing to argue.

 

But the authenticity of the line of that title is critical.

What use is a title (even if it is open to the whole world) if it’s origin is bogus?

ABC belts coming into existence because Ali was no longer Christian?

 

I never said he was. I said he was a world champion. The rule that the title was not on the line would have applied had a heavyweight champion lost a non title fight. And you know it.

 

I didn't realize, after Joe Louis retired, that when the National Boxing Association recognized the winner of Walcott-Charles as the world champion and the British Boxing Board of Control recognized the winner of Lee Savold-Bruce Woodcock as the world champion, that those orgs did that because Muhammad Ali was no longer Christian. (sarcasm)

I'm leaving now.

Bye.