Doesn't Look Like Manny Pacquiao Will Be Reinstated As The WBA Super Champion...

Boxing orgs don't get to decide who the champ is, well they do, but that's what we call a paper champ.

The champ goes back to John L Sullivan who said "I Can Lick Any Sonofabitch in the House", the man who establishes himself as the best is the champ. Ali did that when he beat Liston. How can Frazier then be the champ when Ali never lost? He was the champ, who the orgs decide to give the championship to is called the 'paper' champ. It doesn't mean that you're not great, or even the best and can actually beat the champ. It just means that you never proved you are the best because you didn't beat the best or establish yourself as the best - paper champ.

That's what Frazier was and that is 100% what Ugas is. Ugas should damm well hand that belt back to Pac, I'd be embarrassed to call myself champ knowing it was given to me for free whilst the real champ is still active. Was given no ultimatum to fight and ffs, there was a pandemic and he was a senator in PH.

 

i'm pretty sure manny not being reinstated will not tarnish his glittering career in any way, shape or form.

 

All boxing orgs marks the boxer as inactive and removes from actual ranking lists IF the boxer did not had fought said period of time.
Otherwise someone might get belt or place in rankings and remain maybe even 10 years as champ or highly ranked without next fights.

Boxing orgs didn't had suspended Ali licence. Looks that US gubbermint and boxing comminsion did not likeld Ali and they did this.

This is old way of thinking. Tribal thing.
For example then no one after Marciano was legit champ, you think? Because Marciano vacated belt and retired undefeated.
Does this means that Patterson was paper champ? If so then Liston too and Ali too by your logic chain?
Ward, Ottke and Pirog for example had vacated their belts when they had retired undefeated. All champs after them are not good?
DLH and Floyd Jr had vacated belts when they moved up in weight classes while they were actual and current champs.
This means that champs in these divisions after them are not good?

I didn't get core of your way of thinking.
There historically huge bunch with boxers had vacated their belts when they moved up in weight classes or had retired.
Undefeated or no, they were actual and current belt holders.

 

forget belts.
who they fought and when. that's all you need to know.

 

I do know your flowchart because you are hardcore US boxing fan.
When someone does not likes you, then you post like this " he fought nobody " etc like things.

I actually agree, to be punched in the face for a living to entertain ppl deserved only ppl from proper countries approved by YOU.

 

i'm only calling you out on guys like ottke, sturm and DM because i know that germans think that creating their own 'world champions' away from the rest of the world deserves to be validated.
it doesn't, and i don't know how anyone who's impartial can't see that.

 

keyword “Marciano retired”. Meaning, Marciano himself has deemed himself no longer capable, either through wanting or capability to be the champ. Therefore a new king has to be established.

Ali never retired, they stripped him. He was still the champ, whoever took over is a paper champ.

this is no different than chess. The chess champion should be beaten OR quit/retire in order for a new “champion” to be established.

It’s like Gary Kasparov beating everyone, then one day the chess orgs decide to crown someone else as champ without Gary ever losing. Everyone knows that’ll be a fake champ.

 

I know that you hate DM because he did not fought vs rjj as away corner guy in U.S.
Surprisingly thing why you hate him is thing why I respect him.
I think it is good not to dance in away corner and this is more worth than appreciation from fans like you.
Also from all DM pro wins only 7 were on cards, 38 were by stoppage and you might post here "DM fought nobody" just because he was not away corner lad for rjj in US and THIS IS thing why I respect him. Not his belts or appreciation in fourms from fans.
Also DM had lost decision vs Gonzalez in the same Germany, I really can't see how and why you compare him vs Ottke?

What about thing that notable boxers had fought vs a lot of former Ottke's opponents?


I do know that for fans boxer's origin matters a lot: for you is fine if some US boxers fought their pro fights only in US and as A side lads.
Then it is normal business and thing like " It should be done like this ".
If some Ottke affords to do the same in Germany, thing that bunch with US boxers are doing in US, then it is bad.

 

I think Ottke for example never had bothered even to think : what stuff someone in US might think about me?
Thanks to God in modern days it is even more clear that pro boxing is business.
If you are enough popular you might earn for debut fight more than bunches with boxers had get in their 10 th or 20 th pro boxing fight.
Soon no one will care about these belts.
Life should be explained simpler: U sell tickets and ppvs? media is interested in you? U get a lot of $ and do not need any belt.

Germans had created for example stuff called Bundesliga, cool stuff, I don't think they are begging from US fans to validate their soccer etc.

 

Okey, let's it be, then Holmes was only one next champ after Ali cos he stopped Ali? Okey.
Actually looks for me more interesting was that Ali went through hell vs Frazier, " paper " or not paper: 12 rounds, 15 rounds and 14 rounds.
Interesting vs Norton all Ali fights went all distance and he did not had gave Foreman rematch.

 

because if you don't fight anybody you can make a lot of money building up your rep with your countrymen.

 

Me likes a lot your narrative that these german boxers did not had fought anybody and you will insist on this narrative till end in this forum.
While in reality it is laughable narrative because for you looks than somebody is only US boxer and to fight someone boxer should be B side away corner boxer in US. Otherwise he fought nobody etc narrative.
While I might be lenient vs you regards for example opinion about Ottke because I do know that majority of fans love stoppage wins in pros etc like things, to claim that Ottke or DM had fought nobodies is FALSE and for both: am and pro career.


I actually do not care about your way of thinking cos rjj for me fought no one. Like you are thinking about DM.

 

This is not true as the WBA are going to have a vote on reinstating Pacquiao the Champion-in Recess as WBA Super Champion.

 

Nowadays I am just greatful to even see a fight this good. Idgaf about any belts. Manny could do a 3 round exhibition against a 12 year old girl with braces and still sell out. He doesn’t need a belt.