Dokes vs Weaver I

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Terrible stoppage, Weaver proved he was the better fighter in the rematch, but was again jobbed! Go figure...

 

The bout was stopped prematurely. Easily.

True, Weaver was being pounded -- he was rocked by a huge left hook seconds before the end -- but he was taking the punches well. Further, Weaver blocked most of Dokes's shots on his arms. Weaver still had his wits about him and he was still able to fight back.

Compare the punishment Weaver took here with what Ali absorbed in his bout against Foreman in Zaire. No difference really...the referee in the Weaver fight made a bad call.

 

It was a bit premature, but let's not forget that barring one missing left hook, Dokes threw 31 punches unanswered by Weaver. If you're okay in there, at least move, throw back or whatever.

I disagree on the Ali vs Foreman comparison. Ali never took more than 10 punches in a row (whether they landed or not) and always came back with some movement, holding on or punches of his own. Weaver was knocked down, genuinely hurt and not doing anything in return. I think Weaver should've been given 5 or so seconds more and it was stopped a bit early, but not the worst stoppage of the century.

Oh, and those last 8 or so punches all landed. Hard, powershots too.

 

Dokes really screwed it up in the rematch, but Weaver was wrongfully cheated by political means.

 

It was a bit premature.
Weaver was a world heavyweight chanpion (when there was only 2 ! ). Weaver was hurt but he was hanging in there. When a title fight ends like that people feel cheated.

Weaver had earned a reputation as a one-punch-turn-it-all-around type of fighter.

I guess we've gotten used to bull**** stoppages like that one nowadays.

Then again, we've got to ask ourselves how many more clean or consecutive shots Weaver should have been allowed to take.

Maybe he'd quit on his feet, or maybe he was half-dazed and half playing possum.

Last time I watched Foreman-Chuvalo I noticed George was just starting to throw a punch back when the referee pulled Foreman off him.I also though Foreman's punches were getting weaker.

It's difficult to judge from outside, and the referee has a difficult and serious decision to make on the inside of the ropes.He cant rewind, pause or replay.

 

Donald Romeo's comments are devastating to the case Joey Curtis made. In Mexico, a physician could make a determination to end a fight from ringside by pressing a button setting off a red light. Romeo clearly would not have done such a thing at the stage this one was stopped.

Would Coetzee have stopped Weaver with Joey Curtis as referee if they'd fought after Mancini/Kim? Yes. Would Joey Curtis have stopped Weaver/Dokes I if Mancini/Kim had not ended in tragedy? Based upon how Curtis managed numerous other stoppages prior to this, absolutely not. Would Curtis have stopped it had Weaver not hit the deck? I seriously doubt it.

Could any referee have prevented the tragedy of Mancini/Kim? Not if it happened as the result of one single punch. Would Mike Dokes have ever become a champion or been gifted with draws in Ocasio I and Weaver II without his association with Dung Dong King?

Of course Weaver did not seem too upset. He's a classy, quietly dignified, honest, humble and mild mannered character. I think this is a great deal of the reason behind his appeal to so many who followed his career. Boxing could use a top notch performer like Hercules today.

Ron Lyle took 46 unanswered punches from Ali, who battered him from middle ring, to neutral corner, to Ron's corner, then to the other neutral corner, with Lyle ever attempting to return fire before the referee stopped that one, and even then, not without Ron vehemently protesting.

The more I look at Weaver/Dokes I, and measure it against Weaver/Coetzee, the more horrendously premature a stoppage it appears by Curtis.

 

A lot probably had to do with the recent Pryor-Arguello, Holmes-Cobb, and the Mancini-Kim fight, though a fix was definitely involved.

 

But this was the first round for Christs sake!! C'Mon!

 

I feel you.But it was a good excuse for the shenanigans of one Don King.

 

The stoppage was bull****..... Joey Curtis blew it.......... Weaver was cold and dropped early by Dokes, however, Weaver got up and covered well..... Dokes unloaded a spitload of punches, but missed many in the process..... Weaver was NOT getting hit or hurt as bad as Joey Curtis thought..... Curtis ruined a potential good fight on that night....... Peace......

MR.BILL:rofl

 

What other champs get the short end of the stick when they get hurt? Usually you have to about kill them to get the bout stopped. Around that same time, Holmes falls face first into the turnbuckle > getting dropped and if that turnbuckle isn't there, goes into about the 3rd row. Sure didn't stop that one though, and let it go on.

Plus, Dokes was never all that big of hitter and just threw flashy combos. And Weaver was the rare breed of heavyweight at that time that was perfectly capable of fighting with his back on the ropes. Most guys can't do it at all and Weaver had done it in his previous showings going back to Ward/Ledoux/Coetzee/Tate. Lots of guys are in real trouble when they get hurt and back themselves onto the ropes. But Mike Weaver wasn't one of them and was probably the best heavyweight at it since Lyle.

But what controversial ending in a fight ever had the Don King fighter getting the short end whenever the other guy was w/ a different promoter?

 

Weaver was also very much known for not warming up and starting slow.

Dokes plan was actually built around jumping on him when he's cold. Whether the ref was also in on this plan is open to debate.