Dominic Breazeale vs the following

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  1. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I cannot stand modernists who don't understand the purpose of putting your guard low, despite the fact that fighters nowadays like Loma do it all the time
    If Baer lands 1 of his overhand rights on Breazeale then its good night. Baer has comparable handspeed and reach to Wilder
     
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  2. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sharkey Carnera I
     
  3. janitor

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    And you feel that Breazle showcases these improvements?

    You further think that all of hos limitations would magically vanish, because he used his feet in a slightly different way!
     
  4. Golden_Feather99

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    Great comparison. Carnera and Loma. "I have no clue why his hands were at his hips when he has no head movement." Did you read that part? How do explain that? Do you see Anthony Joshua fighting with hands down? Wilder does it because he has great reflexes. Fury is very elusive and still doesn't keep his hands by his hips. Explain to me why Carnera had his hands so low? He was a sitting duck for Baer's right hand. Baer lands one overhand right and it's over? lol ok. You probably think Baer hit as hard as Wilder. How many right hands did it take Baer to stop Carnera? He was landing flush right hands repeatedly. Baer did have fast hands but he didn't set up his right hand the way Wilder did. Breazeale is taller than Carnera and keeps his hands up. Baer is gonna have a difficult time landing his right. Breazeale will use his jab the way Carnera did and try to land his right. Baer didn't have great head movement and he kept his hands low. Just like Loma lol. Maybe Baer can get the KO but I'm going with the guy who is 5 inches taller and about 50 lbs heavier.
     
  5. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    And I meant for Baer. Baer was great at parrying and generally controlled the distance with his long reach and power

    Baer hit hard, and Carnera could take it better than Breazeale. Baer and Wilder, in their best condition, literally weigh near the same (Baer 210 vs Wilder 212)
     
  6. emallini

    emallini Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I just find it hard to imagine these fights
     
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  7. Golden_Feather99

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    "Baer was great at parrying". Show me a fight where he showed great parrying skills. You used the word "great".

    "generally controlled the distance with his long reach and power". He wasn't good at controlling the distance. I don't see him keeping his jab out there. Neither Baer nor Carnera was good at utilizing their reach.

    Wilder's average weight in his last 10 fights is 223 lbs. He weighed in at 223 against Breazeale. In his previous fight, Wilder weighed 212 (best condition lol). His coach admitted that 212 was too light and that's why they came in heavier this time. In Baer's previous fight (before Carnera), he weighed 203. Baer wasn't as big as Wilder. He didn't hit as hard as Wilder.

    "Carnera could take it better than Breazeale". That's your opinion. How many legit punchers did Carnera face before he fought Baer? Did he fight anyone like Joshua? Or even Ugonoh? Baer was the first big puncher Carnera fought and was dropped 11 or 12 times. First knockdown came in the first round. Breazeale was on his feet for 6 rounds against Joshua and he took a lot of punishment. He has faced much bigger fighters than Carnera did and much bigger punchers than Carnera did. Please don't tell me Joe Louis hit as hard as Anthony Joshua.
     
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  8. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This. All three knock him out. Baer’s power is comparable to Wilder’s while Sharkey would be landing all day on Breazeale. Breazeale would also be a sitting duck for Carnera’s uppercut, which was brutal and very effective when he fought big slow targets like Breazeale.
     
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  9. Golden_Feather99

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    "because he used his feet in a slightly different way". This is funny, that "slightly different way" is known as fundamentals. Boxers today are fundamentally sound. Aren't todays NBA players better than the 1960s? How about NFL players, baseball players? How come everyone else is improving except boxers? And so much so that boxers didn't improve at all since 1920s.

    "And you feel that Breazle showcases these improvements?" I do think he showcases these improvements. He's one of the worst examples we can use today but he's still more technically sound.
     
  10. janitor

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    Being fundamentally sound, does not translate into being a good boxer at world level.

    You have guys like Calr Froch, who have thrown the entire rule book out of the window, and still unified multiple belts.

    I am happy for you, if you have just had your first lesson at the gym, but it doesn't really make you an expert!
     
  11. Golden_Feather99

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    Not a great rebuttal man. Carl Froch didn't throw the entire rule book out of the window. He was still more technically sound than any middleweight from the 1920s and 30s. Being fundamentally sound is very important. Why are boxers taught fundamentals first? They can build off of that but they learn the fundamentals first. You don't wanna admit it because the 20s boxers weren't fundamentally sound. So fundamentals don't matter. Why do you think Wilder stands out today? Why did people crap on him for lacking fundamentals? I remember Teddy Atlas going berzerk talking about Wilder's flaws. Why is it such a big deal? Why was he getting outboxed by a fundamentally sound boxer in Luis Ortiz? A very old boxer btw. Also, I never claimed to be an expert. I am kinda tired of all this bias against modern fighters. I get it, it's the classic forum. I like old-school boxing but I also believe fighters have gotten better over time. If you don't believe that, that's totally fine with me. "I am happy for you, if you have just had your first lesson at the gym". You don't see me writing cringey **** like that lol. Stick to the discussion. Tell me how Sharkey was more technically sound than Breazeale. I only found rounds 4,5,6 of Sharkey-Carnera I on youtube. I'll get back to you when I'm done watching.
     
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  12. Seamus

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    Breazeale is dogsh*t. He loses to all three at their and his best.
     
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    LOL... I was wondering how long it would take, before the condescending BS would start.
     
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    No I think Baer could show up drunk and still wouldn't be a problem.
    I gonna utter some words that nobody has ever uttered before. Chuck Wepner could beat that guy
     
  15. Jackomano

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    People in other sports as a whole aren’t improving. We just happen to have better media coverage these days. Over the years boxing like many other sports have had a lot of rule changes that make the sport much easier than it was in the past.

    Primo fought Max Baer with no Mandatory 8 or the benefit of the referee forcing Baer to a neutral corner. Imagine if Wilder was able to legally jump right on Fury before Fury was given a count. The sport of boxing has gotten much easier compared to the way it was back in the day. Heck Sam Peter would’ve knocked out Wlad if Wlad fought him under the same rules Primo fought Baer under. Not to mention the cruiserweight division pretty much split the heavyweight division in half and thinned out the talent in the division.

    Also, the NBA in the 60’s was way more competitive than it is now. There was no three point line, defense was tough, and you couldn’t get away with traveling during every play. When I tried out for the Lakers years ago Jerry West, who was in his 60’s was still a better shooter than anybody on the team.
     
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