Don Cockell vs. James "Buster" Douglas

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  1. Hank

    Hank Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cockell has a better carreer than Douglas. Neither one was great. If not for win over Tyson, who was out of shape, Douglas would be forgotten. It would be a boring fight, either could win by decision. I would give Cockell edge, but slieght one.
     
  2. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dont be shock if Cockell wins this one. Don is pretty underated imo. And Douglas is overrated.
     
  3. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    Totally overrated. People forget that Tyson was in their fight just mediocre, and Douglas at his best. Look at the resume of both fighters (Cockell and Douglas), when I read here some predictions it´s really ridiculous...
     
  4. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    People put the Douglas that beat Tyson with the likes of ALi or Louis. In head to head. Which is pretty crazy imo.
     
  5. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    Exactly. I knew it when I made this matchup, how people would react. And I was right. Douglas was at the best a contender, with mediocre punching-power, some skills, horrible stamina and with way too much fat. Ridiculous how some people think about him head-to-head...
     
  6. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Buster has beat tyson, mccall, berbick and grag page, who the **** has cockell beat? Harry Kid matthews and lastarza, o wow i'm ****in impressed! Douglas is the better fighter.
     
  7. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    Cockell beat:


    Farr
    Matthews
    LaStarza
    Lloyd Marshall



    Douglas beat:


    Tyson
    Berbick
    Page


    I don´t count McCall as a great win for him, because he had 12 fights or something like that when he fought a prime Douglas...


    So like you see, Cockell had the better resume...
     
  8. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No he doesnt, beating tyson is better than beating all 3 of those guys put together and mccall had over 20 fights by that time. Greg Page would prolly beat all the guys cockell has beat, on top of that hes a ****in light heavyweight and his skills are inferior if u watch them on tape.
     
  9. Luigi1985

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    I looked now as a precaution at boxrec, McCall was 14-2, that´s too green to count that as a great victory. Beating Tyson on that night, looks great on the paper, but not for a boxing insider. Tyson wasn´t even able to blow Douglas away (who had a at the best mediocre chin), ask others here, beating Farr, LaStarza, Matthews and Marshall is a better legacy than beating Page, Berbick and Tyson (with the shape he had on this night)...
     
  10. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thats ur opinion, its not much of a legacy if you havent even beat 1 champ and like i said before, greg page in his prime would most likely beat those guys too, tyson would smash them.
     
  11. Luigi1985

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    You always change from the legacy-point to the head-to-head- point. We started discussing about the legacy, and Don has a better legacy than Douglas. What would have been in fantasy matchups, is another thing. And btw, Page wouldn´t beat a prime Farr for example...
     
  12. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I dont see how its a bigger legacy, he never beat a champion. Douglas is a linear champ and hes beat 3 ex alpha champs and a few other contenders from the 80s like cobb and helstead. Don Cockell is a light heavyweight that never beat a world champ.
     
  13. Luigi1985

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    But that´s not the point, example A beat a champ, example B didn´t, so example A is automatically better. Bull****- theory IMO...

    Farr for example beat fighters like Loughran, Neusel, Baer, Moody, Gains, etc., he had bad luck that at his time Louis was the champ, but he gave him a close fight. Farr IMO would beat Berbick, Page, McCall, and probably also the version of Tyson Douglas fought, he´s very underrated, a win over him is better than a win over a man like Page, whether if he wasn´t champ and Page was..
     
  14. mr. magoo

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    I've watched some film of Don Cockell, and even viewed his title match with Marciano. Frankly, I'm not impressed. I didn't see the skills that he would have needed to beat a bigger stronger and better boxer like Douglas. No, I'm not making a case for Douglas being a great fighter, as he clearly wasn't, but neither was Cockell. Douglas could move around quite a bit for a bigger man, and had a fairly good jab and hard right. At times he didn't show up in tremendous shape. On the otherhand, Don Cockell suffered from a disease which prevented him from properly breaking down Carbohydrates, leading to his often being overweight, or just not ideally conditioned.

    I don't see Cockell winning this one, and in fact I think I'll go with Douglas by a wide decision or TKO.
     
  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Sorry Luigi but Farr was 39 and in the throes of a comeback ,after being retired 10 years,he told my Dad he only came back for the money,so the win isnt as creditable as it seems,I met Cockell a very nice man very modest,Im 5 81/2 and was a Welter/Middle,Cockell was only an inch or so taller than me.Against the 6 4 Douglas he would have serious size problems.