Cockell has a better carreer than Douglas. Neither one was great. If not for win over Tyson, who was out of shape, Douglas would be forgotten. It would be a boring fight, either could win by decision. I would give Cockell edge, but slieght one.
Totally overrated. People forget that Tyson was in their fight just mediocre, and Douglas at his best. Look at the resume of both fighters (Cockell and Douglas), when I read here some predictions it´s really ridiculous...
People put the Douglas that beat Tyson with the likes of ALi or Louis. In head to head. Which is pretty crazy imo.
Exactly. I knew it when I made this matchup, how people would react. And I was right. Douglas was at the best a contender, with mediocre punching-power, some skills, horrible stamina and with way too much fat. Ridiculous how some people think about him head-to-head...
Buster has beat tyson, mccall, berbick and grag page, who the **** has cockell beat? Harry Kid matthews and lastarza, o wow i'm ****in impressed! Douglas is the better fighter.
Cockell beat: Farr Matthews LaStarza Lloyd Marshall Douglas beat: Tyson Berbick Page I don´t count McCall as a great win for him, because he had 12 fights or something like that when he fought a prime Douglas... So like you see, Cockell had the better resume...
No he doesnt, beating tyson is better than beating all 3 of those guys put together and mccall had over 20 fights by that time. Greg Page would prolly beat all the guys cockell has beat, on top of that hes a ****in light heavyweight and his skills are inferior if u watch them on tape.
I looked now as a precaution at boxrec, McCall was 14-2, that´s too green to count that as a great victory. Beating Tyson on that night, looks great on the paper, but not for a boxing insider. Tyson wasn´t even able to blow Douglas away (who had a at the best mediocre chin), ask others here, beating Farr, LaStarza, Matthews and Marshall is a better legacy than beating Page, Berbick and Tyson (with the shape he had on this night)...
Thats ur opinion, its not much of a legacy if you havent even beat 1 champ and like i said before, greg page in his prime would most likely beat those guys too, tyson would smash them.
You always change from the legacy-point to the head-to-head- point. We started discussing about the legacy, and Don has a better legacy than Douglas. What would have been in fantasy matchups, is another thing. And btw, Page wouldn´t beat a prime Farr for example...
I dont see how its a bigger legacy, he never beat a champion. Douglas is a linear champ and hes beat 3 ex alpha champs and a few other contenders from the 80s like cobb and helstead. Don Cockell is a light heavyweight that never beat a world champ.
But that´s not the point, example A beat a champ, example B didn´t, so example A is automatically better. Bull****- theory IMO... Farr for example beat fighters like Loughran, Neusel, Baer, Moody, Gains, etc., he had bad luck that at his time Louis was the champ, but he gave him a close fight. Farr IMO would beat Berbick, Page, McCall, and probably also the version of Tyson Douglas fought, he´s very underrated, a win over him is better than a win over a man like Page, whether if he wasn´t champ and Page was..
I've watched some film of Don Cockell, and even viewed his title match with Marciano. Frankly, I'm not impressed. I didn't see the skills that he would have needed to beat a bigger stronger and better boxer like Douglas. No, I'm not making a case for Douglas being a great fighter, as he clearly wasn't, but neither was Cockell. Douglas could move around quite a bit for a bigger man, and had a fairly good jab and hard right. At times he didn't show up in tremendous shape. On the otherhand, Don Cockell suffered from a disease which prevented him from properly breaking down Carbohydrates, leading to his often being overweight, or just not ideally conditioned. I don't see Cockell winning this one, and in fact I think I'll go with Douglas by a wide decision or TKO.
Sorry Luigi but Farr was 39 and in the throes of a comeback ,after being retired 10 years,he told my Dad he only came back for the money,so the win isnt as creditable as it seems,I met Cockell a very nice man very modest,Im 5 81/2 and was a Welter/Middle,Cockell was only an inch or so taller than me.Against the 6 4 Douglas he would have serious size problems.