Don King hides his horns in hair? Where is Haymon?

al gaymon =gay. he is just happy with so many athletic men around.

 

Al Haymon is not a promoter.

 

Well, to me the one who benefits the most from Al Haymon is Floyd Mayweather. Other than Floyd, now that only Showtime is in the Al Haymon business, their fighters will continue to realize that the grass is not so green on the other side.

Fighters are prideful, which is what makes them good fighters. Do not tell me it's good for Kid Chocolate to be stuck as the opening fight on a tripple header on Showtime. He wants the main event.

Problem is that because he has so many fighters, they are now stuck doing tripple headers, to get fighters dates, otherwise they are stuck without fights.

Floyd is the one who banks very good on Haymon, and many fighters see him blinging and want the same. So they are now willing to give up more of their purse for some advise from Haymon.

I could understand doing that if you had a choice, but if you currently do not have a choice. If it's only showtime bidding, why on earth do you need advise when it's only showtime bidding.

Example:

Khan: Al I want the best deals, the best fights. What offers do you have for me?

Al Haymon: Well right now, we only have one option and that is showtime but hey... you can fight on the undercard of Mayweather

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This is costing Mayweather more money, did you hear him in all access that it's worth investing 12 million on a ppv to gain more money. Floyd is a great business man, if it's not sold out, he buys up the tickets.... if he needs a better undercard for more PPV's he will cough up the money. Because Mayweather makes money off being succesful, and at times you have to do what you have to do to appear that way as well.

Eventually the well will run dry at Showtime and it will be like WCW when it competed against WWE in the 90's.

They are running showtime sports right now, and you can tell by how Unprofessional they act. You do not see HBO fighters being asked to hype up HBO and say how they fight only for HBO. You do not see HBO or promoters placing all sorts of adds on competitors fights.

As a fan, I just want to see the good fights, and I hope they end it. They will soon enough!

Random thoughts:
1. Top Rank does build up fighters perfectly (DLH, PBF, COTTO, GARCIA, PACQUIAO) just a few examples.
2. HBO tried to break the ice with Haymon on the Stevenson deal. Problem is that as part of the deal they wanted to ensure that he wouldn't bolt over to Showtime and not fight Kolavev. Same reason they passed on Broner because they were tired of building up fighters and them running to Showtime.

PS: HBO Sports Executive has been doing a louzy job as well this year in terms of not being aggressive enough to jab back at Showtime.

 

damn. i dont really give a **** who benefits with what.

the best fight the best.

if gaymon cant provide this, from of it he cant or wont, then he is **** to me.

is that simple.

 

No, he's an 'advisor' who happens to be almost exclusively tied to making fights with or within one particular promotion and with one particular network and just happens to know what offers that promotion and that network might just happen to make.

He's a de facto manager in that fighters always seem to take his 'advice' over their de jure managers (when they have them) - except that he also seems remarkably well informed as to just what offers are gonna come down from either GBP or SHO...

If fact he's playing a role designed specifically to bypass the Ali laws and is effectively the 'management' arm of the SHO - GBP entity. Allowing him to act and negotiate almost with impunity, yet not bearing the legal responsibilities of either a traditional manager or a promoter (as he is, in effect a GBP / SHO agent).

 

Your question is phrased in a way oddly open to misinterpretation BTW - like, 'if Kings horns are in his hair where does he hide Haymon'.

I've a couple of ideas.

 

If Haymon was simply the managerial arm of GBP, then you wouldn't have so many people lining up to sign with him. Promoters and fighters are inherently at odds. Al Haymon is a Harvard educated man who does no interviews, gives no quotes and gives little face time to the camera.

Haymon is a manager/advisor. His job is to take care of the fighter. All of his fighters have nothing but good things to say about him, which would strongly indicate that he's doing his job well. You really have to ask yourself why there is so much vitriol for a man who stays in the background and does right by his clients, in a sport where so many people make a living out of exploiting their clients.

 

No you misunderstand....above punning aside, I don't have much vitriol for Haymon, I simply don't have much trust in him either. I had a related conversation on here or some other..... ahem... scene. I tend to forget just what I've posted where.

I'm not anti-Haymon... I honestly don't know what the outcome of the Triad that is SHO / GBP / Haymon winning the cold war would be. I'm simply suggesting that what we're seeing is a new kind of entity and that believing that it's goals (obviously making money) are gonna lead to better pay and conditions for the fighters in the long term, and better fights for the fans is simply premature.

A standard tactic in business is the idea of a loss leader - basically making a loss on a particular product (or overpaying ones clients in this case) in the short term in order to gain a longer term strategic advantage. Typically once the competion has been removed it goes back to businss as usual, except more so.

I ain't gonna say that the guys who go to Haymon are wrong - who the hell can fault a fighter for wanting to get paid the most, but imagining he's found some novel way of sqeezing more money outta SHO is naive in the extreme - you think the hard nosed negotiators at SHO fell for Haymons winning smile? You imagine that his approaches to Stevenson or Jr at a moment when they were close to making top fights on HBO were just co-incidental - that he wasn't authorised to offer tempting deals by...well someone?

Haymon is SHO / GBPs not so secret wapon... as an 'advisor' he can bypass much of the legal morass that complicates fight making - in essence he can act as a cross broadcast, cross promotional spokesperson.

Maybe it's 'just business' but at 41 years old I'm old enough to know you gotta wait and see what happens a few years down the line before annointing this latest manager or promoter or 'advisor' a blessing for the sport.

 

yep...its a loop hole in the muhammad ali act

 

lol @ getting fighters paid for low risk....


so maidana vs. broner was low risk?

mathysse vs. garcia was low risk?

foh.

 

Let's just be honest here: Al Haymon is a Black man with real POWER in his field who is appears to have zero problem leveraging said power for the financial benefit of himself and his traditionally easy-to-exploit clients (boxers).

Throw in the fact that he does this away from the cameras (not on some 'look-at-me' P. Diddy type isht that white folks are used to from powerful Black folk) and that formula scares alot of non-Black folks.

That's just keeping it 100. The fact that you've got folks in this thread pining for the 'good ole days' of DKP and TR promotions raping fighters tells you all you need to know. The OP is b!tching about Haymon/GBP giving folks 'unworthy title shots' at time when we are 8 weeks away from watching a Top Rank fighter with a 1-1 record ( Vasyl Lomachenko) get his SECOND title shot. Come on, man.

Really, who have you heard talking bad about Al Haymon, other than a few conspiracy nuts on here and his rivals?

Al Haymon is doing EXACTLY what a manager is SUPPOSED to do: getting the most money for his client. And he's making dayum sure that these networks and promoters understand that they are going to have to start paying real market value for that talent. Contrast how Haymon flexes on behalf of his clients to how Top Rank has a battery in Michael Koncz's back for reference.

(note: this post was not directed at Koba, who was quoted in the post I responded to)

 

:good Let em know "Sweet Jones", let em know!

 

Sometimes u just have to speak real talk on things. :good

 

he also gets you out of fights too