Don Turner says Marciano was the Hardest Hitter ever

No way does Beterbiev enter the ring at 193 lbs. That would mean his weight is jumping almost 20 lbs. Beterbiev is most likely around 182-184 lbs come fight time. Beterbiev wouldn't be the dominant light heavyweight champ that he is if he were consistently going from 175 lbs to 190+ lbs. 193 lbs is closer to Beterbiev's walking around weight. Marciano's walking around weight was 205-210 lbs and his competition weight was 187-190 lbs. From time to time Marciano would come in either under or over that range.

Here is a piece with Beterbiev himself talking about his off-season weight, which he says is around 187 lbs to 192 lbs, which is a good walking around weight for a light heavyweight.

Artur Beterbiev, world light heavyweight champion according to IBF, WBC, WBO, told what his weight is between fights.

“Usually in the off-season my weight is around 85-87 kg. It’s comfortable to live at this weight and train for your own pleasure in order to stay in shape. I work with hardware a lot, so I need a reserve of power to avoid injuries. Today I lifted a total of five tons. With a low weight this would be difficult to do. Well, in two months of preparation for the fight, I’m gradually getting into the right weight.”
https://ringside24.com/en/90660-beterbiev-told-how-much-he-weighs-between-fights

Here is a weight breakdown for Beterbiev with Marcus Browne
https://imgur.com/yjeECAt

Here is a piece about three weeks before the second Ezzard Charles fight. Maricano at 186 lbs is already under his planned fight weight, so is forced to take time off from training by Goldman.

Rocky Marciano's iron determination played a big part in his rise to the heavyweight championship but it presents an unending headache for trainer Charley Goldman.

Marciano's training for his returning bout with Ezzard Charles on Sept. 15, was interrupted abruptly yesterday when Goldman discovered the Brockton, Mass., slugger is already a pound under his fighting weight.

"Get some rest and eat a big order of pasta fazoole," Goldman told Marciano. And he added to newsmen: "Rocky must be careful that he doesn't overtrain. His weight is quite a bit below what it should be at this period of training."

Rocky weighed 186 pounds yesterday compared to the 187 or 188 at which he normally enters the ring for his title fights.
https://imgur.com/JuQFkfR

 

Charles,Moore,Lastarza ,Cockell,all said others hit them harder,than Marciano,which of course doesn't mean those others were necessarily harder punchers.
Louis said Al Delaney hit him the hardest,which he may well have done,but I've never seen Delaney's name on any list of top punchers,whereas three of Louis's opponents Baer,Schmeling,and Marciano often are.

 

Thanks! Beterbiev looks to me to be around 190 in the ring so surprised to learn that he's probably under 185. But he has so little body fat that he likely looks bigger than he is.

In lean weight I'd say he's pretty much the same as Rocky as a champion. And if he didn't have to make 175 he'd likely be a bit bigger.

 

What CWs do you know who enters the ring around 185?

 

So someone who hasn't been in the ring with Marciano or any of the big hitters, past or present, knows because he's been around boxing a long time? Come on.

I do believe Marciano could hurt anyone if he landed flush, though.

 

Again the 925 is just thrown to the side like as if that **** is normal.

No one here works on cars?

No one here is a gun nut?

No one here works on anything to spec?

Most of the conversation you guys have about power is a bunch of absurdity that shouldn't even be on the table until after some kind of control is established.

Let's answer a physics question with everything but anything to do with physics! Resume answers questions like trajectory and the **** people say about one another answers questions about energy transfer.


If you tell me Shavers hits harder that is fine. You need to quantify Shavers hitting with the energy of a small cannon, like one on a ship, during the 18th century without sounding like a hyperbolic fanboy. Otherwise you're saying he hits in the world of Marciano or less. To be very clear. Yes. I am telling 925 sits JUST under a ****ing cannon.


You have to do one of two things. Give Marciano the 925 and recognize there is not going to be much higher if any, and if there is a man who does score higher you can not see that with your eyes anymore than you can tell me the speed difference between a car doing 120 and a car going 140 zooming past you standing still. Or you can devalue Marciano's score and take you suspicions up with the test conducted by the army.



Just letting that 925 sit there while you guys speculate over records... ... ... ... That's some insight. That's a real attempt to move beyond I watched X and felt Y

 

Well he never fought George Foreman, Sonny Liston, Mike Tyson, etc, etc,

 

All valid imo.

 

They both have very long torsos

 

Louis never said that Braddock was the best he fought or that he hit the hardest. He said he gave him the most resistance.

 

Is it abuse to think that he would find it hard to be as succesful against guys who have 70+ lbs and 7+ inches on him? Really? How do you think Beterbiev would do against Dubois & co? Who would you put your money on if he made the step up to HW?

I find little value in what one watching from the outside have to say about power. I have my own eyes to see with. And Rocky could really punch, harder than many much bigger men, but harder than Foreman, Shavers, Tyson, Lewis, Wlad etc? Doesn't look that way to me and what this guys says about it changes nothing.

 

It's crazy to think that Beterbiev's walk around weight just is a few pounds heavier than Crawford's.

 

Am I correct in guessing that the bug up Rocky fans' arses is that others don't think that Marciano would do extremely much better against current HWs than they themselves think Beterbiev would?