Donaire has acquired ATG status over night?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Addie, Feb 23, 2011.


  1. Finesse74

    Finesse74 Boxing Addict Full Member

    7,016
    1
    Jul 28, 2010
    He wasn't. That was his brain trying to get his body to get up....which he did.

    A knock of only 2 good fighters doesn't make you ATG
     
  2. garfios

    garfios Dark Lord Full Member

    7,460
    18
    Feb 13, 2010
    No they won't they will rip you apart for this intelligent post.
     
  3. garfios

    garfios Dark Lord Full Member

    7,460
    18
    Feb 13, 2010
    My question is are they in the same league as Hopkins and Toney, two future HOF? One of them an ATG.
     
  4. bigeddie27

    bigeddie27 Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,179
    1
    Apr 7, 2007
    What I like about Donaire:

    -He has an extremely powerful and fast left hook.
    -He has about as perfect timing with it as I have ever seen

    So right now you have a left handed fighter who is willing to trade left hooks, and has the patience and balls to time it to put your lights out. Yeah Nonito is going to go very, very far. What the **** is up with these philapinos and their left hand anyways?
     
  5. Bub

    Bub Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,807
    7
    Jan 26, 2011
    I think people are getting carried away over Donaire but I never really rated Williams or Pavlik so those victories didn't impress me that much. Also martinez doesn't seem as well rounded a boxer as Donaire
     
  6. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

    42,502
    401
    Jun 14, 2006
    So much is made of these P4P lists. One would only have to watch Montiel or Darchinyan for 3 minutes to conclude that they aren't on the same level as a Hopkins or a Toney.

    One poster suggested that this victory over Montiel is more impressive than Manny's first win over Marco Antonio Barrera. That is nuts. Ludicrous. Fans are quick to bring up Montiels achievements, spanning a number of different weights, but becoming a multi-divisional champion is far easier at Flyweight-SuperFly than it is at the likes of Featherweight and upwards. The talent pool is typically larger. For example, Cristian Mijares is currently the IBF Champion. He hasn't even been considered relevant since losing to Darchinyan and yet he's a world champion? About sums it up. Montiel is a very good fighter....he was never a great Bantamweight, though.
     
  7. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

    42,502
    401
    Jun 14, 2006
    Likewise, I've never been sold on the idea that Pavlik is a world level operator, but Williams is very, very difficult to beat. I certainly think he's harder to beat at Middleweight than Montiel was at Bantamweight. Martinez devastated a P4P rated opponent who held significant physical advantages in only two rounds at arguably his best weight. Neither man was heavily favored going in. On the other hand, Donaire devastated a P4P rated opponent who HE held significant physical advantages over in two rounds. Donaire was heavily favored going in. One man got up, the other wouldn't have survived a 50 count. One man was known for having a good chin, the other had been down numerous times before in his career. Just sayin'.
     
  8. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

    10,305
    544
    Feb 17, 2010
    I don't think he was ever even very good addie.Decent fighter who liked his WBO titles;) but was overhyped considerably early in his career and mostly flattered to decieve.
     
  9. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

    42,502
    401
    Jun 14, 2006
    Agreed. :good

    I know fighters usually get hyped up after a big win, but I think the whole deal with Martinez was almost justified. Of course, Williams was never the most avoided man on Planet Earth and he's always had limitations, but the climax of their rematch was genuinely shocking, genuinely impressive.

    This case is much different. Everyone had already predicted that Donaire would have a relatively easy night. The best thing that ever happened to Montiel was getting starched by Donaire in two rounds, because this has seemingly gave him more credit, has seemingly upped his stock in more ways than a victory ever could. Somehow...I don't know. Madness.

    :huh
     
  10. garfios

    garfios Dark Lord Full Member

    7,460
    18
    Feb 13, 2010
    You are right, in a way he is been lucky to get starched in two rounds and showing his will to continue, it would had been worst if he took a beating for 12th rounds, ppl will had say that he should retire after the beating.
     
  11. DobyZhee

    DobyZhee Loyal Member

    46,712
    14,163
    Mar 5, 2006
    jumped from 115 to 122...

    i don't think he's an all time great yet.

    there's tons of boxers that have half as skill and are HOF worthy or ATG status.
     
  12. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    28,911
    6,255
    May 18, 2006
    Who said he's atg overnight :patsch if he was he's probably outside the

    hundred mark :?:? no one said the kid is ATG or GOAT..
     
  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

    401,771
    83,586
    Nov 30, 2006
    Typical ESB overreaction + pinoy fanbase =
    This content is protected