Donaire: Marquez is slow and chunky, Pac will f*&k his day up

You're smoking some really good stuff.

 

Again with the 'going up two divisions' thing :roll:. He'll be weighing no different to what he weighed against Katsidis (only three pounds lighter than what Pac weighs), but let's continue ignoring that.

I'm just saying that if Pacquiao hasn't improved that much like most people claim, then JMM has a better shot at beating him by using the tactics that have already worked very well for him in he previous 24 rounds. The only thing he has to do this time round, is avoid being put on his ass.

In my opinion, it's more wise than trying to take the fight to him.

 

Is this really an advantage? Wouldn't that be a detriment? Taking punches from bigger guys is not good for your health. I understand what you're saying in that Pacquiao may be able to shrug off "little" Marquez's shots since he's taken shots from guys 20lbs heavier, but is that assumption any more valid than saying Pacquiao has been subjecting himself to too much punishment against guys like Cotto and Margarito and the wear and tear is going to show in this fight?

I don't believe either one is true, and I believe JMM will be reasonably competitive for a few rounds before Pacquiao savagely knocks him out. The important differences in this fight compared to the last 2 are that Marquez is too old and slow now, and Pacquiao will not be drained.

 

They're both past their physical primes, with Marquez significantly more so than Pacquiao. I still have hopes that they'll deliver another war because both have the heart and guts. I have no doubt that both will go all out in the ring. Its definitely gonna be a much more entertaining fight than the past 3 Pacquiao fights.

 

i have a feeling that jmm will go the way of hatton in this fight.

pac will probably come in at 142 weigh in and 146-148 during the fight.

prime fighting weight for him. might have lost a little speed but same for jmm.

 

Nope, Rios is the future king of the division but JuanMa would outclass him if they fight in the next year or so... With that said, BamBam will have a dominant, but brief, reign at 135. He simply exposes himself to too much punishment for me to feel comfortable predicting success for him past the age of 30...especially if he makes the inevitable move to 140.

 

You, and others, make out as though he’ll be weighing differently to what he’s accustomed to. But unlike the Mayweather fight, it’s very unlikely that JMM will be piling on unnecessary weight to match his opponent*. Simply because his opponent isn’t going to be enjoying a weight advantage that is any greater than the last time they fought.

* Turns out he didn’t need to for Mayweather, as Mayweather weighs very low anyway. He’d have learned from this.

And yes, Pacquiao is used to taking on and beating biggers guys, because, quite simply, when he’s not draining himself to make weight, he's the more proficient fighting machine. I maintain that he is relatively the same size as JMM, but on a level playing field where neither has to worry about making weight, he comes out on top.

Again, he’s not going up in weight (145, whilst Pacquiao will be 148 ) any different to the way he went up to 145 against Katsidis and the other lightweights. In fact, with no weight restrictions, he now has the ability to go up to his fight night weight more effectively. Ain't no need to boil down to 135 and rehydrate back up to his 145. He can safely and comfortably work towards his fight night weight.

I don’t think he has declined as much as you’re making out. The current, escalating gap in quality between him and Pacquiao is more to do with Pacquiao improving, than JMM fading. His punch resistance also hasn’t shown serious signs of decline, either. He has always been vulnerable to knockdowns; therefore biggers guys like Katsidis and Mayweather – who aren’t powder punchers themselves – knocking him down should not come as a complete surprise.

Now in regards to JMM’s approach to the fight, I believe maintaining the same tactics as before will certainly help him more than what you’re suggesting. Because if the difference between the two – speed and power - is now even bigger, it will be suicide to try and take the fight to Pacquiao and knock him out, don't you think? Pacquiao thrives when people go to war with him. He'd love it if this old man - who you’re saying has notably declined – tried to fight him at his own game. It’s foolish.

Instead, he’s better off playing on the two elements that have not changed that much since the last time they fought – skill and style. Whilst the speed and power have shifted further Pacquiao’s favour, these two factors have remained relatively the same (although I personally believe Pacquiao is more skilled now, too). JMM is better off banking on this.

 

Totally agree with this.

It did provide some really entertaining fights but if these good but no elite guys tagged him...

 

The chips are stacked against Marquez. He doesnt carry weight above 135 well at all and hes an old fighter in years and ring years. He will always pose a stylistic challenge for Pacquiao, but there is just too much going against him. I think Manny will likely stop him, or it a one sided decision, but either way I dont see a victory for Marquez. He does have a chance though but it is slim. Id say its got to be near 8-1 odds Manny, Its too bad too because I feel that Marquez won their first 2 fights.

 

Yes, on paper, JMM is going from lightweight to welterweight. But in actuality, he’s not going up two weight divisions to fight a guy who’s two weight divisions bigger than him like you are making out. Just throwing this out there again for you.

When they fought last time:
- Pac: 145
- JMM: 141

When they fought Margarito and Katsidis
- Pac: 148
- JMM: 145

That "going up two weight divisions" you're talking about, is three pounds. I urge you, and everyone else, to stop using these three pounds as an excuse for why Pacquiao will destroy him.

 

You urge us to stop talking about it because it effects pac, but your ass weren't bitching when floyd fought hatton at WW even though Hatton weighs heavier than floyd come fight night?atsch

 

Can I ask you....When the **** have I ever bitched about Floyd fighting Hatton at WW?