Donaire Should Get A New Trainer

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by PetethePrince, Jul 7, 2012.


  1. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    To be honest, while Garcia doesn't overly impress me, I think the problem lies more with Donaire's tendencies as a fighter. When he knows an opponent can't hurt him, his sense of urgency disappears, and he looks for one-shot counters and leads. I get what you're saying about Garcia's lack of authoritative advice, but I don't know if a change of trainer is what suits the situation. Then again, that might just be my personal uneasiness about taking a fighter out of his comfort zone whenever a technical or mental flaw arises. But your own recommendations I feel would definitely have helped him have success as an aggressor.
     
  2. igor_otsky

    igor_otsky Undefeated Full Member

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    true. It's the fighter's fight inside the ring. All the trainer's advice are mostly in the gym.
     
  3. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    But how much of Donaire's tendencies fall on the trainer? After all, trainers are supposed to stomp out bad tendencies and implement the good ones

    I don't mean to sound harsh on Garcia as I probably have put too much blame on him. A new trainer might not do the trick. It may just be Donaire, his personality, his tendencies, and his propensity for showmanship and flash. I compared Ward and Donaire in terms of talent differences and versatility (Donaire in my view is much more talented). Perhaps this is as much a difference in their personality and approachability to boxing. I don't know but I don't seem to want to just accept that. Donaire and a proper trainer should be able to make real progression.


    Very well said. His frame of mind is just as much as a problem as his actual unfulfilled potential.

    I thought what you just said and would have liked Garcia to at least focus on this sort of problem. This seems to happen just as much when he knows he can hurt his opponent too. The knockdown I believe was round 4. I had him losing the next round which is a little odd.
     
  4. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    :yep
     
  5. Relentless

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    why dont you suck his dick already
     
  6. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Well, from what I've seen of Donaire and Garcia's personalities, I think they'll go back to the drawing board and at least try to improve upon what they know was a sub-par performance.
     
  7. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Maybe back to the drawing board again, via Skype this time (Not enough face to face interaction from the phone). What did you think about that when you heard that Bogo? Boggles the mind. I understand Garcia is busy and needed to work with Rios for Alvarado but that **** shouldn't fly. It's weird how Donaire is the P4P star and gets zero priority over Garcia's other fighters. It would be like Roach taking off Pac's training camp to work with Ruslan or something.I just get the sense that he's more invested in his other fighters. Let's be real, Donaire was and still is his biggest prodigy & talent. Shame. He seems to lack the most urgency when he is with Donaire in between the rounds as well. Maybe that's their relationship. He told Rios he needed a knockout I believe, but seemed rather fine with Donaire before the 12th round after getting tattooed from punches. "Just put more pressure." Nothing about we need a knockout, or it's now or never. **** I'm not looking for some Miracle Hollywood Teddy Atlas kind of dramatic speech here. Just simple, clear advice so your fighter's aware and understanding of the situation. And Donaire needs it. He was delusional enough to think it was a close fight, as was Garcia. That was stupefying. Nonito actually apologized like he lost the fight because he got careless in the last two rounds. I don't know...
     
  8. brnxhands

    brnxhands Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    garcias probably not making much from nonito i get the feeling. coming in last minute probably for a fee not as big as we think
     
  9. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    It was ridiculous to hear that they mostly talked over the phone, that's just stupid. I put a lot of that on Donaire for not coming into camp and making the effort to show up, Garcia's always in the gym he's not going anywhere, but it's also on Garcia to tell Donaire that he needs to come in and train seriously.

    They were both delusional about how close the fight was, and I do agree he should have emphasized pressing for a knockout, but at the same time I think they both knew by the end that they had definitely lost without question.

    Garcia's instructions lacked urgency but were accurate. There was nothing much you could tell Donaire to do but throw more than one damn punch at a time. His combination punching needs serious work, it's almost non-existent. Some of the only times he actually caught Rigo was when he threw two or 3 punches at a time. Lampley said it best, "he needs to overwhelm Rigondeaux." But he's just too stuck in his counter-puncher mold and fought someone who could perfectly exploit that.
     
  10. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Well said.

    Do you think you have may underestimated Donaire's developing of bad tendencies and habits? I can understand how many didn't know Rigo was this special. This was a brilliant performance. But Donaire was always a bit one punch happy, and was never terribly inspiring on the front-foot. Maybe the one punch happy habit started because he lost urgency when he sensed his opponents couldn't hurt him. I honestly think he just fell in love with his power awhile ago. It's not even just that, though. Donaire really hasn't made any substantial progression since the Darchinian fight. He's just more confident and more widely exposed to due to having a lot of big fights, far more often than before.

    I'm not buying the sentiment that Donaire was timid and unwilling to take risks this fight either. He came out like a man possessed in round 10 and walked into huge shots in the effort of landing. He simply couldn't land, as Rigo said "One punch at a time isn't enough."
     
  11. Bogotazo

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    Personally I thought Donaire was getting out of his bad habits fight by fight. Against Nishioka he was more patient and threw more than one punch at a time than he did against Mathebula. But Rigo was making him pay for his shots in a way that Donaire has never seen before, he's never fought someone as fast as him. That's where the timidity came in. It's not something Donaire just has, he's never been special on the front foot but he's not outright timid, even after the KO Donaire knew he couldn't afford to let go because he was paying dearly for any misstep he took.
     
  12. purephase

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    Do you guys know if the phone training was anomalous for this fight? As I understood it, Donaire almost always spends most of his camps away from Garcia and largely trains himself; this is why I thought it was a bit ridiculous when Garcia would often be significantly credited with Donaire's success and why it's problematic to blame him too much for last night as well.

    Don't get me wrong, that arrangement is far from optimal and I agree with the general sentiment that Donaire could benefit from a new trainer, but I don't believe being away from camp is an adequate reason for what transpired last night.

    Edit: I also agree with Bogotazo's response on Donaire's bad habits above. At the same time I think I may have overestimated his improvements in that regard and perhaps bought into Donaire's own talk about "getting back to his roots" after seeing Ward beat Dawson.
     
  13. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  14. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nonito had a considerable size advantage on many of his past opponents that's where his advantage is not in any superhuman boxing ability. In fact I would like to see Nonito vs Juanma
     
  15. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He started off alright, though he could have done with more jabs. Relied too much on power. He was fighting like Brandon Rios, wtf, the guy has a huge reach advantage.