Donaire v Gomez at SBW?

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Who wins this one at SBW and why?
     
  2. Flea Man

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    Gomez would cause Nonito problems with his movement and would make it hard for him to get off. Bazooka would dissect Donaire I'd imagine, although Nonito is smart so he'll just shut himself down and not get taken out. Gomez via decision.
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I think Donaire is a really special talent and I think at this class there's no one he can't beat to the punch.

    I think he wins a competitive decision 8-4 type.
     
  4. Flea Man

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    How much of Gomez have you watched? And who has Donaire faced that in any way resembles Gomez? Nonito is very patient and doesn't go in for the kill, he takes his opponent apart. How is he going to do that against Gomez?

    Nonito is a special talent? What, and Gomez wasn't?

    This is the morning after a quality performance talk.
     
  5. recycling

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    Donaire knocks him out in an exchange
     
  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    anything that's on youtube. he's my choice for SBW goat. (Zarate is my favourite fight of his)

    who has gomez faced that resembles nonito?

    how will he take gomez apart? very difficult to say. I think he'll beat him to the punch more often than not, make him respect him with his power and take a close but clear decision.

    Of course Gomez was, I just don't think he was as good as the Flash.

    No, if you look back to that thread months ago about h2h goat in each division, I picked Nonito then. I just really struggle to see him losing.
     
  7. Flea Man

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    Gomez has faced stylists of all different varieties, and didn't struggle to take out the likes of Wilfredo Vasquez Jr and Omar Narvaez.

    Donaire is the best H2H super bantam based on beating Nishioka? Who isn't even that good himself (very good, but not great, in his late 30s) I don't think it's a farcical claim to give Donaire, a lightweight, a very good chance against anyone around these weights don't get me wrong, just think him being favoured outright against Gomez is a bit ludicrous given the reasons you've given. He'll just beat Gomez to the punch. And Gomez will.....not try anything different?

    I'm not saying Gomez could not be hit and hurt at 122, but not by punch picking with him.

    Donaire would be following Gomez like Zarate did. Bazooka can fight it out if he needs to, or he can box and counter. Donaire is brilliant at this as well. I really rate Nonito, but not against Wilfredo Gomez at super bantam.

    If Nonito beats Salido at 126 would he then be good enough to beat Sal' Sanchez?

    Anyway, I see your Wilfredo Gomez and raise you Jeff Fenech.
     
  8. Flea Man

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    This is true. His inability to create the openings against the aforementioned guys that didn't play ball was worrying. Also, Concepcion may have been much heavier (was he on the night as well? I know Montiel was and it didn't help him) but that type of rough housing caused Donaire problems as well. By smart I meant 'won't get himself knocked out'.

    Hey, Yum dropped Gomez with t-rex arms and caused him problems before Gomez stopped taking the **** and put it together.

    And then you see how Gomez dissected Davila.
     
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  9. lora

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    Nishioka did a Grigorian last night.

    Not nearly as shot(still a decent fighter though past his best)as the mighty king artur was against Freitas but make no mistake that was a half-arsed cash-in performance by an old fighter.

    Gomez would likely just do to Donaire what he did what he did to Zarate, even if it takes him a lot longer.use his superior movement, reflexes and technical skill to dictate exchanges and be patient about opening up, before taking the knockdowns as they come..or don't.I could see him getting rocked or dropped himself though, but highly unlikely to be finished off.
     
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  10. Flea Man

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    Nonito looks to be a **** actor as well. What was all that about?! :lol:
     
  11. Flea Man

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    This.

    Nice comparison between Grigorian and Nishioka by the way.

    How d'ya' see Nonito Vs Zaragoza?
     
  12. Tin_Ribs

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    :lol: I wondered how long it would take for a thread like this to crop up. On the plus side, if asero still posted here, Donaire would have knocked Gomez for six inside the first ten seconds. I swear I'd have liked Donaire a bit more from the word go if wasn't for him.....

    Anyway, it's this type of knee-jerk reaction - understandable though it is - that bypasses the rational, humane side of my brain and plugs straight into the nasty, cynical side; consequently, I almost want to see fighters like Donaire go flying off the rails in glorious, Mijares-like fashion. And that's just ****ish if I'm being honest with myself.

    How about we see Donaire's career closer to it's conclusion before picking him over a demon like Gomez? Or see him against a genuinely great fighter who has the style and tools to really stretch him? Or even someone who isn't about 13 stone naturally lighter like Montiel, Darchinyan etc? The man makes for some seriously impressive viewing at times, no doubt about that, but come on. Nishioka is/was a decent fighter by today's standards, but I never imagined he had the tools to pull this one off. Too open and lacking in key areas. Still, quite an impressive win for Donaire I suppose, but like has been said, a **** poor cashing in effort from an old man.

    Better to see Donaire fighting more regularly though, and against some of the better names that the relatively shallow talent pool has to offer. He spent too long doing **** all post-Darchinyan right up until he fought Montiel. If he were able to clean out super bantam and then move up and take some more scalps closer to his own size, I could see him maybe ending up with air that's sort of part Lopez/Galaxy and part Pacquiao, ie. numbers and dominance over an average crop bar the odd exception, spread out over multiple weights with the benefit of the 24 hour weigh in.
     
  13. Flea Man

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    Montiel actually outweighed Donaire on the night.

    But yeah, dominating winner of Mares-Moreno and Rigo' would confirm his brilliance to me. I think he's superb, but now he's fighting guys his own size I want a greater quantity of quality fighters for me to think he's that good.

    He bragged about how he rehydrated up to lightweight before the Narvaez fight and that's why I'm unhappy to rank him among the great lower weight fighter that struggled to make weight on the day.

    Let's see Nonito Vs Arguello and Elorde at 130, Carlos Ortiz and Duran at 135 threads please.

    Y'all are gonna' think I'm trolling but I honestly think Samart had a great style to beat Donaire. Heavy puncher, a naturally talented defensive fighter, who worked with it, and an expert ring navigator. If he makes the weight alright, he could cause Donaire some hypothetical issues IMO. I'd say he was a better fighting machine than Nishioka on his very best day, even if his boxing career wouldn't suggest it.

    I'm taking Mijares to beat Rafa' at the end of this month by the way :yep Could Diamante be the man to beat Donaire? ;) :tong
     
  14. Flea Man

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    Also, I will add on first viewing I didn't see any controversy with the Mathebula fight. Thought Nonito won with little hassle, maybe it's worth a rewatch but did anyone else think it was close? Didn't see it myself.
     
  15. Flea Man

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    Glad to see I wasn't going mad myself.