Donovan ruddock v George foreman 1991 who wins ?

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  1. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've got no doubt a 13 years old Pat M could've taught old Foreman some tricks. You're anecdote of being a pre-pubescent adolescent outclassing a 40 year old ex-pug in sparring fills me with awe. Filed right next to 10 years old Tony Ayala making Pipino Cuevas look like a mug in a sparring session and Houdini lapping the treadmill to the astonishment of all as a few of boxing's great un-witnessed moments of the 20th century.
     
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  2. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well I've also heard the Moorer fight was a fix too. Apparently Moorer let himself get floored, KO'd, have dozens of stitches in his mouth and his reputation and marketability ruined to keep the Foreman charade going. A totally realistic and believable scenario.
     
  3. Heisenberg

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    Isn’t it funny how ‘fat comeback’ George looks in better shape than many of today’s heavyweights. I thought the same thing when I rewatched Holyfield v Douglas recently. Fat Douglas looked fitter than Dillian Whyte
     
  4. Pat M

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    Maybe you don't have the experience in boxing or athletics to understand the "anecdote?" I never said I outclassed anybody, the "anecdote" was about the other guy having lost what he didn't use. Most decent boxers with more experience and size don't try to hurt smaller, less experienced people. The guy was NOT there to "beat me up", he was going to teach, but he found that after 15-20 years of little/no exercise he had lost stamina, strength, and reflexes, it was all he could do to keep his hands up for a round, I could have taken advantage of his lack of conditioning. For people who have trained and/or participated, they've probably seen a version of what I described. If you don't use it, you lose it.

    I see versions of this "anecdote" almost weekly. A guy stops by the gym, he boxed somewhere a long time ago, or he watches a lot of fights and "knows" he can do it, or he's a "street fighter"... It usually takes about a half of a round and people understand that it's not as easy as it looks. And that is not because the person they're in the ring with is trying to hurt them, most of my fighters don't even punch them, they just make them miss. The out of shape or untrained guy gets fatigued quick, they are missing punches and they are tight. They get exhausted and stop. Guess my "anecdote" only has meaning for people who have been in a gym? Apparently it seems "incredible" to people like you?
     
  5. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I really see no other way for this fight to go other than Razor splattered on the canvas looking up at the lights wondering WTF happened. IMO Foreman is all wrong for him
     
  6. sauhund II

    sauhund II Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You are a excellent fiction writer but reality in not your thing......

    Foreman would do this foreman would do that.............a lot of woulds.............if Ruddock was such a ham and egger how come he never fought him or looked to fight him ? How come he never called out , according to "experts" like yourself, " the lower tier but heavy punchers like Bruno/Witherspoon/McCall...even C level Williams or Maskeav........crickets....is this the same Foreman who rather got stripped instead of facing a washed up Tucker who according to Forum gospel in his prime would loose to Marciano ?

    Did he ever call out Trial Horse Mercer.......mental midget Golata.........even HBO hype job Grant......what about Tua.....absolute crickets.....and publicly stated he would never set foot in the Ring with Bowe or Lewis because they punch to hard......

    Again, name me ONE top tier puncher with a pulse Foreman beat in his comeback ?

    Reality : Foreman fought bum after bum to get a title shot.....lost.....fought bums again for a shot.....lost again against a hand picked glass chinned opponent....fought some more bums and got undeservedly another title shot against a feeble minded genuine china carrying Light Heavy and struck Gold in the 11th hour.........and got stripped because he wanted to go on the bum tour again

    Now a low IQ is clearly evident when claiming the Ghost of Ruddock who fought Tommy chin had any juice left.......the irony.

    Eagerly waiting for more fiction writing, its similar to Politics, heavy on opinion , light on facts....hit it, it is your destiny.
     
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  7. sauhund II

    sauhund II Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Negative

    Foreman was never "around" 330 when retired.....pure fantasy.

    He was around 260 to 280 in non fighting shape.......got himself to the 230/240's in fighting shape but felt too weak and light, afterall he was not facing 200 pounds guys like Frazier anymore, even the hand picked bums were heavier and taller......he said bye bye about making any weight and just trained to be in fighting shape in his walk around weight.......in essence he never bothered to diet he just trained and the weight was what it was.
     
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  8. Sangria

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    Well believe it or not, Unforgiven, many fights are fixed even to this day. I'm sure some of Foreman's fights are questionable. Not saying his entire comeback though.

    Seldon took a dive against Tyson. He could've been paid before hand or simply caved in during. People that quit on their stool is something to consider indeed. I mean Duran had a turtle head stool poking out that made him quit, or so he says...
     
  9. sauhund II

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    Trivia for the Google queens on here....

    Did Bob Arum fix fights for Foreman, yes or no, did he have to pay a fine, yes or no, was he sanctioned, yes or no, did he admit wrong doing , yes or no.....
     
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  10. Pat M

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    You both nailed it. Foreman would have retired again before he would have gotten in the ring with Ruddock, McCall, Mercer, Tua, etc. He wasn't going to fight anybody who could punch or take a punch. If he was guaranteed that one of them wasn't training and had a drug problem, he might fight one of them. Foreman was an opportunist, he wasn't stupid. He wouldn't even fight Larry Holmes who was begging for the fight and was as old as Foreman. It's amazing that 20+ years later that some still believe that Foreman was wanting to fight everyone and the best were avoiding him.

    If you watch the entire video of Foreman - Hernandez the commentators said that Foreman was telling people that nobody wanted fight him but the commentators said that Ruddock and Pinklon Thomas had both challenged Foreman and Foreman would not fight either of them.
     
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  11. Glass City Cobra

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    First of all, its a clear sign of insecurity when you put sarcastic words in someone's mouth. Never claimed to be an "expert" on anything. I have tipped my had off to at least a dozen more posters for being more knowledgeable than I am--even one's I don't like--and will likely do so again in the future.

    What is the point of Foreman fighting C tier heavyweights who can punch hard? It's high risk low reward. Bruno got stopped every time he stepped up and only had one belt for a very brief period in 95 before losing it to Tyson. Witherspoon would have been a good name but again, his best days were in the 80's and he was very inconsistent with several losses and was no longer a draw when foreman was active.

    I'm aware he didn't want to fight Tucker. What does this have to do with Ruddock again? Completely different fighters and opposite styles.

    Do You realize how illogical you sound asking why he didn't call out "hype jobs", "trial horses", and "mental midgets"...? Hey, since we're asking stupid questions HEY GUYS, HOW COME LENNOX LEWIS NEVER CALLED OUT C LEVEL DAVID JACO? HOW COME TYSON BLATANTLY DUCKED MIKE "HERCULES" WEAVER WHO WAS ACTIVE DURING HIS ERA?

    My point in bringing up the Morrison fight is because, by your own admission, he had a weak chin and yet Ruddock couldn't stop him. Or are we going to shift the goal posts again? You completely glossed over my post where I correctly pointed out all the heavyweights who absorbed plenty of Ruddock punches but didn't get stopped. Yet people think Ruddock stops Foreman. If you want a reality check, this would be the perfect time.

    Your destiny is to forever attempt to get under my skin with logic fallacies, grade school insults, and straying way off topic because you can't actually form a coherent argument to counter my own. I eagerly await an actual well thought out response, but I won't hold my breath given your limited intellectual capacity.
     
  12. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Morrison KO's Razor and had no issue exchanging with him. He literally runs from Foreman for most of the fight. Foreman even appears to take it easy on him at times when he has Morrison cornered. It was a weird fight. However, Morrison clearly respected Foreman more, and treated him much differently than how he fought Razor. That speaks volumes about who he felt was more dangerous
     
  13. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    Thomas' day was well over and he would have been stomped on all over the ring.
     
  14. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's hard to believe Ruddock would stop Foreman, especially since it really didn't seem as though Foreman was going down for anybody in his comeback. Fernandez caught him off balance, George was obviously fine right after that incident.

    Ruddock had a great left hookercut and a really good right. George was great with both hands...including jab.
     
  15. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Frankly they are worse cans if we're being picky. Good posts man
     


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