Donovan Ruddock vs. Evander Holyfield in Q1 '91

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    In early 1991, shortly after Evander Holyfield cut short the miracle reign of Buster Douglas to become world heavyweight champion, Donovan Ruddock - then on a five year streak going a perfect 15-0 with thirteen knockouts - made serious attempts to get a crack at him. Holyfield instead defended against comebacking Big George Foreman - fifteen years Ruddock's senior and retired for the first time while Ruddock was still in high school in Toronto (dreaming of a different path of athletic stardom, then a promising young tennis player). Ruddock himself went on to run into the vengefully resurgent Iron Mike Tyson, in what ended up being his last ring outings before prison and two of his toughest until then besides the Buster Douglas shock in Tokyo.

    What if fate had wended its course toward a meeting between The Razor and The Real Deal in early '91 rather than sending them off to separately engage the pair of household name powerhouses?


    The cruiser turned heavy king at the height of his fairy tale versus perhaps the most feared and respected contender of the day.
     
  2. Hookie

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    Much of Ruddock's status at the time was based off of his two losses to Tyson. He had knocked out faded versions of Bonecrusher Smith KO7 (Smith did drop Ruddock) and Michael Dokes KO4. Both men were out for several minutes. He gave Tyson some fits but went 0-2 vs. Tyson. Tyson stopped him once, knocked him down multiple times, and broke his jaw. Lewis stopped him in the 2nd round.

    Holyfield would have stopped him IMO.
     
  3. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Holyfield by stoppage probably due to accumulation of punches. He would score mutiple knockdowns partly due to Ruddock`s poor balance. Razor would have some moments and probably shake Holyfield a few times.

    It wouldve been a fun fight to watch.
     
  4. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Evander counters him to death--if he can make Ruddock punch. That woeful and anemic punch output of Razor's would keep him in there rounds wise, but it's hard to see him winning rounds. Decision win for Evander in an easy to score bout--along the lines of 11-1 or maybe 10-2 rounds wise.

    And Ruddock being Ruddock, would hurt him once but not finish the job. Evander's recouperative powers see him through and it'd be another "if only" bout for Razor.
     
  5. AREA 53

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    Ruddock is probably the classic example of a great "Ön Top" fighter, particularly with defective/wounded opporsition in front of him, but he might be fragile mentally, given someone who's eyes blaze with a zest for battle, A bully mentality if you will, Evander invites him to a "Show-Me" party...and Donovan doesnt enjoy the punch...and becomes a WallFlower.
     
  6. greynotsoold

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    It would have been a fight; Holyfield wasn't as skilled as given credit for, and he usually ignored the skills he did have to fight. I favor Holyfield because he was a tougher guy mentally, would let his hands go.
    Ruddock looked way too hard for the left hand he threw, but he could land it on Evander and it could change or end the fight. His best bet would have been to work his excellant jab on Holyfield, who loved to get hit with jabs, but I don't think he would be likely to do this.
     
  7. hookfromhell

    hookfromhell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ruddock had big time power, but he relied on the "smash" too much.
    He hit Tyson with a lot of clean shots but Mike ate all of them, Razor
    took a lot of punishment in those bouts because he stood there and looked
    to land the smash. I read on ESB that he got the name Razor because back in the
    day he had developed a sick jab that was compared to Ali's. If Ruddock utilized
    a great jab he could have beat Holy and others. However I feel Holy gets rocked
    maybe out on his feet, but counters Ruddock all night. Holyfield split decision.
    Ruddock could get the stoppage though.
     
  8. Hookie

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    You are talking about a Ruddock that never really existed in a pro fight... vs. a decent fighter. Yes, at one time Ruddock was more of a boxer. He boxed well vs. lower level fighters and even a faded but still tough Bonecrusher Smith. Smith dropped Ruddock early in the fight but Ruddock outboxed him and eventually knocked him out. What other decent fighter did Ruddock outbox? All of a sudden he's gonna outbox Holyfield? It ain't happening.

    Yeah, I watched the video of Ruddock sparring with Holmes. Ruddock did decent vs. the old man, but who cares, it's sparring. Holmes still got the best of Ruddock anyway.

    Holyfield was plenty durable and he was a better boxer than Ruddock. Holyfield has faster hands, better footwork, better defense, and he's more accurate.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

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    I kind of figured Holyfield would be the fashionable pick - especially with the added benefit of hindsight.

    In that day, it may have been seen as more of a pick'em.

    Holyfield was 28-0 (22) and Ruddock was 25-1-1 (18.)

    Holyfield enjoyed that excellent run at cruiser (Qawi x2, DeLeon, Tillman, Ocasio & Parkey - in all 6-0 with five knockouts in world championship tilts, four of those unification and the last a complete unification involving all three major organizations...enough to be considered the #1 all time at cruiser by widespread acclamation...) and got off to a decent start upon moving up by stopping all seven men he faced and none of them slouches...but, Ruddock would've been the best HW opponent in his career as of then.

    Ruddock had only two blemishes - a draw with tomato can Phil Brown and the shock TKO loss to giant super-heavy "palooka" David Jaco. Both were early on when he was green & scrawny and the latter has the added legitimate excuse of having been caused by Ruddock gassing after suffering a fit of asthma in the middle of the contest. He didn't have the # of quality W's that Holyfield did, but he did have a few (Weaver, Bonecrusher, Dokes) on a similar level to most of Holyfield's - in his new division, anyway. In fact, contrasting outcomes with their h2h opponent in common: Holyfield did impressively dispatch the former champ, making him do a chicken dance with plenty of clock left in the increasingly one-sided 10th...but Dokes was technically stopped while standing, only slumping to his knees after Richard Steele had jumped in. Ruddock on the other hand, a year later would knock Dokes out cold in the 4th.

    Ruddock had spent the previous five years packing on muscle and gaining his man-strength and improving technically, no longer the gawky low-mileage kid who underwent a spotty learning curve in the early 80's. He didn't have a sparkling resume but looked very impressive and was hailed as perhaps the uncrowned king. (remember, in the first quarter of 1991 hardly anybody yet knew who Lennox Lewis was and Tyson had already been dethroned and lost his aura of invincibility despite rallying back with consecutive KO1 returns to form. Holyfield looked formidable in his 88-90 run, but did seem to have lost a bit of power and certainly wouldn't have been considered heavy enough a hitter to bang with Ruddock or perhaps even consistently get his respect. The seven straight stoppages didn't tell the entire story. Quick Tillis had already been knocked out a bunch of times by then. Holyfield never even dropped him, forcing him to ultimately quit on his stool. Likewise he battered Pinklon Thomas but never put him in even remote jeopardy of leaving his feet - another retirement, by the corner. Alex Stewart was halted on cuts. That leaves the aforementioned Dokes, fragile Rodrigues, unheralded McDonagh and the no-longer-motivated-or-fit Cinderella man Buster Douglas. With each outing the critics murmured with increasing concern that he wouldn't be able to hold off Tyson when they eventually had their anticipated big-money showdown. He didn't appear to even have the requisite pop to get rid of guys whom you wouldn't expect lots of heavies to be able to get rid of. Ruddock did. Even if Holyfield was favored to beat him on points had something materialized, the predominant view was sure to have been that Ruddock was in with a huge puncher's chance - not just a nominal one.

    Of course, from our vantage it's easy to point to Ruddock getting decked several times over his 19 rounds with Tyson and to Holyfield vaulting into success against household names Foreman, Cooper, and Holmes before starting his epic rivalry with Bowe and therefore conclude that Holyfield was in better form during that period - but really, would the version Ruddock who twice lost to Kid Dynamite (albeit not without some argument, very game in both tries) have fared all that poorly against the Holyfield who gave up a few rounds to a couple of 42-year old former greats, both of whom rocked him soundly a few times...and who needed to hammer the not-quite-chinny but not-quite-rocksteady Bert Cooper with almost nonstop uppercuts in laboring towards stopping him? :think I'm not sure their performances in that era clearly point to Holyfield being the hands-down better operator at the weight.

    I'm not saying Holyfield isn't the right pick - but people might be making snap decisions and not putting adequate thought into this, which it duly merits IMO.
     
  10. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I voted Holyfield by pts , either fighter could win by stoppage and a ruddock stoppage victory is not as long a shot as some might think . This would of been a great fight but I don't think the duva's would been in a hurry to sign the contract
     
  11. heavy_hands

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    just 4 clowns would pick ruddock here, probably the blind tyson fans
     
  12. IntentionalButt

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    :roll:

    Thinking it wouldn't be a competitive match with the outcome set on a the spin of a weather**** is as foolish as would be thinking Ruddock would blitz him in two minutes. :good
     
  13. Azzer85

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    Very well said, some interesting points there.

    Holyfields power or lackof was touched upon in the first bowe fight as well, Lampley asked Bowe why he was so aggressive and he replied something like, Holyfield simply couldnt hurt him

    Even in 96 against Tyson, the TKO came more because Tyson was completely out of gas rather than Holyfields punch power. Tyson himself said Holys punches didnt hurt but he (Tyson) was just so off balance

    Tyson walks over Holyfield in 91 and Ruddock/Holy would be much more competitve than most people think
     
  14. Ole Mongoose

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    I'd take that with a massive grain of salt. Tyson also admitted he remembered nothing from the 6th round on.
     
  15. heavy_hands

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