Donovan Ruddock vs Mike Tyson II

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  1. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    No he didn't. He was bombed out early against Lewis. He looked pretty good in the Tyson rematch, and looked spectacular against Dokes.
     
  2. Unforgiven

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    I didn't mean in the Lewis fight. The two fights he had after Tyson, one was against Phil Jackson and he looked pretty good in that one. I forget the other fight, but it was another KO I think.
     
  3. lefthook31

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    It was against a washed up Greg Page. He had a good run after the Morrison fight too, but he was still shot. Level of competition..
     
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    Greg Page, that's right.
    No one mentioned ruddock being shot or ruined until after the Lewis result, as far as I can remember.
     
  5. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Here's a question for you, Lefthook. Ruddock was originally supposed to fight Tyson in '89 but instead Douglas was the opponent. Does Tyson still lose if pitted against Ruddock in Tokyo?
     
  6. Addie

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    Razor never had the tools to beat a fighter of Lewis' calibre, but I don't think he would have been bombed out so early if it wasn't for all of the punishment he took in the two Tyson fights. Both were brutal beatings, beatings in which he had no business enduring for 18-19 rounds.
     
  7. lefthook31

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    I think Tyson had more respect for Ruddock than he did Douglas and probably wouldnt have taken the fight so lightly as, contrary to some of the naysayers on here, he did, against Douglas. Remember coming into the Tyson fight Douglas had shown lapses of concentration and will to win, and had been stopped by mediocre opponents, plus Tyson himself said in his documentary, he had beaten a guy who stopped Douglas, and who he felt was a far better fighter in Tony Tucker, so I think there is some truth to Tyson not thinking Douglas would show up that night.
    I will say Douglas had better overall skills and more of a skill set to beat a guy like Tyson. He had an excellent jab, decent righthand and could move well. Ruddock on the other hand, had little else besides his lefthook and left uppercut. He didnt move particularly well, and didnt have a good enough jab to keep Tyson at bay.
     
  8. lefthook31

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    agree
     
  9. Thread Stealer

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    This was a good heavyweight brawl.

    Tyson again was showing signs of laziness in terms of not enough head movement, and too much bombing. On the plus side, he was better in the clinches this time and punched his way out of more of them. He also showed his punch resistance as he took some big shots from a huge left hooker, particularly the shot at the end of the 6th that send his mouthpiece flying.

    Ruddock fought gamely but was perhaps too brave for his own good as he took a dreadful beating. I love those body shots Tyson landed in the 10th.
     
  10. Addie

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    I pretty much agree. Douglas beat Tyson with his jab and right hand, two weapons that Ruddock seldom used ever. It's a shame, as you can see in my signature, when Razor threw his right hand lead it seemed to always land. He had a huge reach advantage, he could have potshot Tyson all night with it, but he was just to reliant on his counter uppercut. He barely even threw the jab, I'm willing to bet it would have helped him out if he did throw it. I don't know why he didn't do these things, he was schooled enough to know that a jab and a right hand would have worked well against Tyson.

    Razor had so much potential, with the right trainer he would have won a belt during the 90s. Throw your jab, one-twos more often, work in the clinch, and still utilize the uppercut and hook when the opponent tries to come inside. That would have worked best for a guy like Ruddock, and it's not like all of these things were beyond his capabilities either.
     
  11. Canibus81

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    Had Tyson used better headmovement, fought in a crouch more and threw more viccious combinatons like he did against Ribalta in the later rounds, he might have made his job much....much.....easier. But who knows.
     
  12. Canibus81

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    I agree.
     
  13. lefthook31

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    Common mistake of all punchers, including Mike Tyson himself. They fall in love with their power, and forget about what was behind setting up those power shots. They than become very one dimensional and easier to defeat.
     
  14. round15

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    Ruddock got his nickname from Chuvalo because he had a razor sharp jab, that some said was the best at the time since Larry Holmes.

    It is too bad that Ruddock neglected the other weapons in his arsenal because he should have made a better performance in the two fights against Tyson. The first one, Richard Steele had no business stopping, but there were no excuses in the second fight.
     
  15. Addie

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    I felt Ruddock acquitted himself well in the Tyson rematch. He took it to a decision, wobbled Tyson on a few occasions, and got up from some heavy knockdowns. Fighters aren't supposed to take Tyson's best shots and smile, but Razor did. You can see instances of a supremely impressive fighter when Ruddock did throw the right hand and he did flick out the jab. He could have been a force had he not abandoned the fundamentals because of his left hand power.