Don't ever say Sven Ottke's name three times

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Actually, you'd be exagerrating. Feel free to site examples of the Ottke fights that you've seen that were "corrupt." I've already acknowledged the Reid fight was suspect. I don't see any other specifics in your post.

Oh, you could ask Anthony Mundine about the feather fists.

 

Which decisions and opponents were those again?

 

robin reid - at least dick turpin wore a mask when he robbed you.

 

The Reid fight was the biggest boxing robbery I have ever seen - nothing like being warned for having the temerity to actually punch your opponent in a boxing match.

 

sven ottke was not a bad fighter and only a few of his wins were controversial.

i had the first brewer fight socred for brewer , he scored all the hard clean punches of that fight and i beleive sven got a gif in that one.

the ref in the reid fight was bought and paid for, reid had no chance.

i had him beating johnson/definatly won brewer rematch/

hardest fight to score was the larson fight when both boxers landed a combined 24 punches each in the 12 rounds.

he had great legspeed/new his way around the ring.

only problem i have with sven ottke fights is that the corner were informed of the judges scorecards in every round so he new exactly what he had to do ,and he had friendly refs who would turn a blind eye to his headlocks/shoulder charges /clinching / and would dock opponents points for the sligheso he had the advantage of knowing when to press a fightest infraction

that with his style was the biggest advantage he had in his career and the reason so many fights were s/d or close.

simply if he new he was 5 rounds up v say for example a puncher with 4 to go, he would not engage for 4 rounds lose them on the scorecards taking no chances knowing he wins the fight by a point.

it was all maths and saftey in ottke fights , but he could definatly fight and was the best that germany has produced.

 

Fantastic Thread.

His ko of mundine was fantastic. Stupid china chinned ausie.

 

When Ottke was bitching and whining, and looking and pleading to the referee for help everytime Reid hit him, you must have known something was wrong? That's cheating isn't it? That's sullying the name of the sport of boxing, no?

How can you be a fan of a disgrace like that?

 

Interesting how perceptions are build in boxing...

Yes, Reid - Ottke was awful.
I don't think that Lewis - Holyfield was any less awful as a robbery, yet Holyfield never gets the kind of **** for it that everybody is giving Ottke. For a guy who changed from amateurs to pros as late as Ottke did, he did quite well, beating a few good opponents. As far as cheating goes, I would say head - butting, elbowing, low - blowing fighters like Hopkins or Holy are cheaters. Holyfield is a dirty fighter if ever there was one and would have been a nobody at HW without steroids. He was losing against Tyson until he turned the fight around with a headbutt and a very bad low blow. Yet he is universally regarded as a boxing hero, because he was willing to have his head punched in with his fighting style. Someone fights cautiously, following the idea "protect yourself at all times" like Ottke and he is a *****, a cheater and the worst beneficiary of dubious decisions in the history of boxing. If Ottke or Wlad or someone else who is hated like they are would win a title because their opponent quits for no visible reason, they would be blamed for it. When Ali won that way against Liston, he was a hero. If Ottke would have ever turned the tides of a fight with a headbutt and low blow in one round, he would he demonized.

By the way, here in Gemany, Ottke was not some kind of big star, he was liked, but not like Maske or Dariusz. I don't care much for Ottke, his fights were OK but nothing special and he had two bad decisions in his favor, but he is not the epitome of all that is wrong in boxing.

 

I think Holyfield did cop quite a bit for the Lewis fight, though not as much as Ottke has, you are quite correct.

What gets peoples backs up though is the fact that it happened many times over a long period.

 

Which fights exactly? I watched all of Ottke's title fights and remember two poor decisions and a few fights that were close but no robberies. One difference in Europe is that going forward is not rewarded by itself, if the fighter going backward is better at hitting without getting hit. That's just a different scoring style and one that makes sense to me. With the American scoring system, Povetkin might have one the first three rounds against Chambers purely on aggression. Foreman won against Schulz, because Schulz because Schulz moved and didn't stand toe to toe until the last round. It's a matter of opinion, but by European standards, Ottke won most of his fights. And I stand by my statement that using fouls is much more the hallmark of a cheater than having some poor decisions in one's record.

 

Ottke and the referee were COMPLICIT in the Reid fight - this is not the same as a Promoter cooking a fight via influence over the judges, this is conscious, complicit CHEATING.

 

Fighters complain to the ref all the time. Any proof about them being complicit in the sense of a pre - planned scheme?? If not, don't make such statements. Sure, the ref sucked, it happens. It's not worde in an Ottke fight than in any other fight.

 

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