Don't ever say Sven Ottke's name three times

Was she warned for punching him aswell?

 

So much revisionist history here.

 

ottke was a good example of polar opposites:

he looked like a caveman .............but his style was kinda "cute".

 

I would say that was something dodgy going on in every Sven Ottke fight that I happened to see, which is probably a dozen or so. He always had a habit of complaining to the ref when he got hit with a decent shot, claiming it was either low, behind the head or inside of the glove. Even if the ref never took punitive action, it was enough to allow Ottke to recompose himself.
This kind of cheating went on in every fight that Ottke that was in, to some degree or another. It was only so obvious in the Reid fight because Reid had his number, and Ottke couldn't win fairly.

If all of Ottke's opponents put him under the same pressure that Reid did, then the cheating would simply be more obvious for everybody to spot. If he got knocked down ten times, then they would all be slips.

As for the feather fists, well you have me on the Mundine thing. That is conclusive proof that Ottke was a monster hitter. A german Julian Jackson, or Nigel Benn.

BTW, you are joking with all this support for Ottke, aren't you.....?

 

I like this more balanced opinion. Ottke was a good fighter, just not a great one, nor one who deserved to retire (until now) with an undefeated record. He was the epitome of a protected champion in the truest sense.

I've never seen the Ottke/Reid fight and can't find it, but everyone says it was a disgraceful showing by the referee.

Also, is it fact that he was given the official scores between rounds, or is that a rumor? If it's true, it taints his entire career. Imagine how history could be changed in important bouts if that were the case.

 

I would disagree. The refs were almost always from countries other than Germany.

Ottke clearly beat Tate, Glen Johnson, Byron Mitchell, Mundine, and Charles Brewer (first fight was close), all of whom were at one time world champions. He did this by OUTBOXING them. I admit, it wasn't always pretty, but Ottke got it done with movement, landing a shot then falling in and often clinching.

A master boxer in many respects who ate big punchers for breakfast. These are facts.

I didn't say he was a monster hitter, he didn't have power because he was always moving, but when he sat down on his shots, Ottke could punch on occasion.

No joke at all. I've always been a fan of Ottke. I appreciate quality boxing of all styles and types.

 

What do you make of the accusation that he always knew the official scoring? That would change things if true, wouldn't it?

Also, I dock him for winning every close fight. You can't score all close rounds in favor of one guy, and you can't very well score all close fights in favor of one guy, either.

The worst thing that happened to Ottke, at least for international reputation, was that he was undefeated. Had he dropped a couple decisions, he'd have been remembered as a steady, unexciting, yet capable beltholder at 168. As it is now, many (I don't, but many do) view him as a fraud.

 

If your a fan of ottke then you are not a fan of boxing.

 

If his corner was fed the scoring, then that is an unfair advantage, but I never noticed it occuring or heard it mentioned.

Well, I've seen and scored many of his fights and the only one that was close enough to be controversial was Brewer I. I had it a draw but it could have gone to Brewer. Ottke winning it wasn't that much of a travesty.

And remember, he rematched Brewer and beat him clearly in the second fight. He also gave Thomas Tate a rematch that he didn't have to.

Otherwise, his fights were often close, but the scoring to me wasn't that controversial.

I always ask for examples of bad decisions when the Ottke bashers come out, but rarely get anything other than the Reid fight, which was late in Ottke's career and admittedly bad.

Otherwise, the scoring was, for the most part, fair.

 

there was a camera that could zoom down of the officials scorecards and read them ,the same as you are looking at your monitor now.

i will give an example of how it worked in his favour.

going into round 12 of the larson fight , larson a big 168 fighter with a good punch if he catches you clean .the fight was desperatley close , yet ottke in the last round with larson chasing him never threw a single punch , just used his great legspeed to make syure larson could not corner him and ottke won a split descion i beleive.

what fighter in a fight that close would not throw a punch without knowing he was ahead.

 

Ottke KO2 Calzaghe

 

Where did all the jokesters go? Hmm, I guess no one has any concrete examples to back up their claims of all these scandalous decisions that Ottke won. Shocking.

I get your point, it is a bit of an advantage, but remember that Ottke was WINNING THE FIGHT through the first 11 rounds (albeit narrowly). It is common practice for a pure boxer who has built up a lead to dance around in the last round. The Larsen fight was also later in Sven's career when he was frankly, past it a bit.

 

Lampley, sean and emanuel thanks for the great contribution to this thread. I have read many things I did not knew before.
props:good

 

Same here. Anyone got a copy they can get on youtube??

Wouldn't mind seeing it to believe it!!