Don't fight the best in your division, move up & fight a shot fighter & you're P4P#1!

Another great post, BB!:happy

 

Let's not act as if Manny Pac has an easy night here. I don't know what you guys are smoking, but I think he'll lose.

 

I was thinking the same thing.

Roy Jones became the world's #1 P4P and garnered all sorts of acclaim for going up and beating Ruiz. Why shouldn't Pacquiao get at least the same credit for going up to beat a still dangerous future HOFer?

 

Me too. How did this suddenly go from being a "gimme" fight for Oscar to a "gimme" fight for Pacquiao? :huh

 

Well, according to many people. Manny Pac had almost ALWAYS had an easy night since he came to the world stage. Fighting Barrera in 2003 who was p4p #3 WAS an easy night. Fighting Morales the second time was another one of those easy nights, and now they're saying that he'll have an easy night against DLH, who mind you, would certainly be the favorite if he fights Berto, Cintron and Clottey and would be 50-50, if not outright win, against Cotto and would give Margo and Williams trouble.

That's the DLH that Pac is suppose to be cherry-picking for his next fight. :roll:

Remember there were alot of people who were clamoring for a DLH-Margo fight after Margo beat Cotto. But now that Pac was the one chosen for a DLH fight, these same people are now calling DLH "shot" and that Pac is cherry-picking. See the hypocrisy?

If Pac wins this, that'll be an incredible and legendary feat. Its a good thing that many people here share that same sentiments as mine.

 

No...of course it's not easy, but it's not as hard as it could have been, if he really wanted to test himself against the best South of 154, is it? It's not like, if he loses, he'll say: "I failed; I tried to beat the best in the higher divisions, but I lost...I'm not as good as I thought I was...."; he'll just collect the huge cheque and say he had guts to even get into the ring with a much bigger man. Freak show.

 

The thread starter is full of BS.

 

The thread starter has a point but where he fails is that Pacquiao is already p4p #1 by a fair margin, regardless of the Oscar fight.

This fight is comparable to say if JuanMa Lopez moved up to 130 and fought Barrera

 

Who cares how the challenge is brought along? Sometimes the opponent is simply considered too fast, thus the other is the underdog, sometimes the opponent is too skilled, sometimes too powerful. And sometimes, the opponent is simply too big, an advantage is an advantage and this advantage was enough to make Pac a huge underdog.

You guys are fixated on belts and weight classes. Im fixated on the challenge at hand. P4P JMM is a better fighter than Vitali, JMM is in the same weight class but let me tell you something, Vitali sure as hell is a tougher customer for Pac than JMM. So should Pac beat Vitali, I would give that more points than him beating JMM as he overcame the bigger challenge.

DLH is a bigger challenge to Pac than anyone at LW and you're fooling yourselves if you say otherwise. If he manages to overcome that challenge then rightfully you deserve more credit for taking on a bigger challenge.

As for your Lopez, Vasquez, MAB analogy, doesnt quite work out. Lopez if he bulks up is simmilar size to MAB, no way he holds anywhere near the same size disadvantage as Pac. Lopez could easily be seen as being able to move up to FW and LW at some point in his career. Pac on the other hand, it was being said 130 was too big for him, then 135 was too big for him and now 147. A better analogy would be Darchinyan-MAB where I cant see how Darchinyan has any chance at all due to a huge size disadvantage.

 

If there had been an ESB critic when Leonidas held the pass of Thermopylae with a rag-tag army of 6000 against a Persian invasion force of 150k he would no doubt have glibly commented that Xerxes' force was spent from long travel, Leonidas enjoyed a superior tactical position and if he'd want to make the feat legitimate he would meet with the Persians in an open field of grass and fight it out like men.

No, DLH is not 25, nor the best fighter in his weightclass, nine feet tall, capable of shooting lightning out of his fingertips or able to freeze you with nothing but a stare -- but he is still a very capable fighter at 147, experienced and blessed with stunning coordination + decent speed, power and defense -- and I think even in his current state, for a former Flyweight, he is nothing short of Mount Everest.

A fantasy fight of popular discussion is Pac vs Naseem Hamed -- and let me tell you, I would much rather be hit by Naseem than by Oscar de la Hoya.

There is a chance if Pac is on his game defensively that he'll make Oscar miss and Oscar will tire -- but since that isn't Pac's specialty DLH is still going to land at some point, courtesy of that iron-cast jab of his. The first moment he does will be telling.

 

I predicted Pacman to win the day the fight was announced based on this premise; if Steve Forbes can Mark Oscar up, Pacman can beat him.

Not usually the way I'd predict a fight, and I know Oscar notriously finds it hard to get up for 'tune-up' fight, but I just see Pacman winning. Every so often there's a guy whose power carries up the weight divisions and against top class opposition, and I believe that pacman might just be that Warrior.

I see him fighting Hatton at 140 if both he and the Hitman win their respective fights.

Would that be seen as a waste of time? Juan Manuel Marquez has expressed a desire to move up to 140 to fight Hatton, if Pacman beats Hatton then he could end his career with a 3rd fight against Marquez there.

HOWEVER; even in training Hatton looks revitalised with Floyd Sr....I don't know he the Hatton-Pac fight would go. I actually think Hatton might be encouraged to soradically box as well as use his previous grappling technique with Pacman, as he'd need to wear him down and not try to fight where Pacman can find his range.

Oh, and DLH-Pac; at worst it's a competitive match made interesting by a difference in height. Of course it's going to be built up, and of course I'd rather see Pacman taking on Nate Campbell, Juan Diaz or Juan Manuel Marquez, and for sure I'd rather see DLH fighting Williams or Margarito.

But....well our sport will get headlines for it, so it IS a good thing.

 

Everyone good wants to fight Hatton because he leads with his face. I'll say this -- DLH will have a harder time with Pac than he would with Hatton, who he'd simply jab into submission.

After the Oscar fight, it'll be clear if Pac can beat him. If he can hurt DLH at all, he can win the Hatton fight.

 

Hardly.

JML: 5'7" starting weight 122lbs
MAB: 5'6" starting weight 115lbs

VS

Pac: 5'6" starting weight 106lbs
ODLH: 5'11" starting weight 135lbs

Huge difference in comparison. Huge.

If anything, this can be more compared to Calzaghe vs Tyson (post prison).