Don't fight the best in your division, move up & fight a shot fighter & you're P4P#1!

As long as Pacman takes his punishment to the bitter end, as if it were the most important fight of his career, I'll have no complaints. But if he quits, telling himself it's not worth it, just because he realises he's in too deep, against a much bigger opponent, I'm done with him. You've made your bed, then sleep in it. A challenge is not big enough if it's so big that you can fail and completely and still pretend you achieved something. Anyone could step into the ring with a prime Tyson and lose in ten seconds. That takes fewer guts than getting into the ring with someone you could go 10-12 rounds with, who could beat you up properly, leaving you damaged for life e.g. Benn v. G-man.:good

 

Oh, I know. He's in there for the money, no doubt, and I demand he earns his paycheck.

Still -- I hope these kinds of fights don't become a trend. Pac is capable enough, but it is a bit dangerous to match fighters like this.

 

So DLH is good enough for Margo & Williams but too shot for Pac? And if he's not too shot for Pac and Pac has a shot what is wrong with the fight. Another obssesion with weight classes.

 

Arum backed out of the fight before the DLH dream match was in the making. Campbell even agreed to fight him in the Phillipines. Nate would KO Pac.

 

This is one smart dude right here man.
You're killin em in the threads. Great post bro.

 

he weighed 146 fight night....that is much dif than weighing in at 147 the night before...if that were the case arturo gatti should have been fighting iddleweight when he was 140....what would that look like

 

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Ignore them ..they're obviously scared Pac might pull an upset over Hoya and lose their bets

 

I agree that this fight sucks though for both guys

 

I can see three clear points you're making --

1) Pac's reason for taking this fight is money, not legacy.
2) DLH is old and not one of the top welterweights.

This was already apparant to most of us. I disagree, however with the third.

3) Because DLH is not a top welterweight this is not a historically significant fight.

It would be a mean feat to win. Twelve-round fights are much easier on oldies as the fifteen-rounders of yore. Look at Hopkins and what he has accomplished at an extremely advanced age -- now DLH is nowhere near the gymrat Hop is, nor does he fight in a style that is as suitable, but he's still very much more capable than the picture you paint.

I feel you are underestimating DLH's capabilities. I originally hated this fight because I felt DLH would never do something as gruesome as this -- I still do, to some extent -- and I now find myself faced with people belittling Pac's achievement if he were to win before the match is fought.

The glory is there to be had. You might rather see him fight someone else, but they don't offer as much money. I don't think there's anyone in the sport that would turn down a fight against DLH.

 

not to mention there is nothing wrong with making the most money u can if u are pacman...the guy has been in wars and this will be an entertaining fight just not a lagacy definer...but he has proven his worth..

 

That's a slight. Manny Pac (much like FMJ was) is already secure in his legacy. 7 combined wins over Morales, Barrera and Marquez is enough for a "legacy."

You mention him fighting the elites of his weight class. No **** pal. Everyone wants to see him fight the likes of Campbell, Diaz, JMM and the ilk...but let's not act like Manny is moving up in weight for some sort of gimme fight. He's moving up in weight to fight a guy whose STILL dangerous and a threat to anyone in boxing from 154 down. You can say he's over the hill (and I agree with that) but he's been over the hill since the 2nd Mosley loss. It doesn't discredit Hopkins for beating him or Floyd for beating him. He's not shot, he's past his prime...there's a BIG difference.

You're going hard to discredit Oscar De La Hoya. Really hard. I'd give Oscar a fighting shot against any of the "elites" at WW..even though the truth is there IS no elite at WW.

If you don't feel that there's any historical significance then hey sure that's all up to you...but the fact is when HISTORY is all set and done, IF Pac were to defeat Oscar..it'd be his greatest win. THAT is what history would dictacte.

 

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Good post!