Don't overrate Andre Ward; he has weaknesses that can be exploited!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Ramón, Nov 24, 2010.


  1. Ramón

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    Ward is extremely talented.

    He is technically as sound as they come. He is extremely versatile. He can fight inside, outside and he can fight dirty.

    He is intelligent and disciplined, inside as well as outside the ring. He is crafty and wise - a great tactician who will implement a winning game-plan extremely well, especially for a relatively young and inexperienced fighter.

    He has the inclination to try to do whatever it takes to win.

    Not least, he is blessed with a very good promoter, very favourably inclined TV networks, the good fortune to have been born in the USA and three features that could make him iconic - his religious beliefs, that gold medal and the fact that he is a well-adjusted, well-spoken, polite black young man. All these things will play to his advantage when the cookie crumbles - Ward will get the fights that suit him, he will get home advantage when it really matters, the networks will be willing him to win and the referee and judges will be partial to helping him win close fights.

    ...Auspicious circumstances and characteristics indeed - Ward could have what it takes to become one of the very best.

    However, there are a few unknowns that should prevent us from calling him the real deal at the highest level yet:-

    1. How good is his chin? Is it good enough to save him against a world class puncher when it really matters? (e.g. Abraham)

    2. How tough is he? Can he take a lot of punches from a world class pressure fighter? Can he take hard, effective punches to the body and keep sharp and active in the later rounds? (e.g. Andrade)

    3. Is his power good enough to maintain the respect of a truly determined effective pressure fighter/ puncher? (e.g. Froch/ Andrade)

    4. How athletic is he? Can he rely on his athleticism to save him when the going really gets tough, against an all-round good opponent determined to stop him? (e.g. Bute) Is he fast enough to implement his game against a very fast, athletic fighter? (e.g. Dirrell)

    5. Does he have the courage and will to wade through very deep, dark waters to win? Is he prepared to sacrifice his health to turn a fight around? Is he proud and crazy enough? Does he have the will and courage to do whatever it takes?

    I guess we'll see. His performance against Kessler was very promising. In some ways it was so promising that we are in danger of reading too much into it.

    I think it's too early to call him the real deal.

    I am not convinced that he will not be let down particularly by a combination of lack of chin, power, toughness and self-destructive pride. I am not convinced that his many great qualities will always be sufficient to compensate for these perceived weaknesses.

    Do you agree that these are valid areas of concern?
     
  2. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Great post. But until we actually see him lacking the above qualities, we shouldn't be concerned just yet.

    Once this Bika fight is out of the way, the time for Ward to truely prove himself will arrive. Froch, Abraham, Bute etc, all should provide the stiff tests to answer all of our questions.
     
  3. Ramón

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    I think that even the Bika fight could throw some light on some of these areas for concern, if Bika performs as well as he did in his best fights and if he is as determined and able to take on punishment to dish some out.

    If Bika can make it tough and nasty for Ward, it could show the extent to which Ward can take it. Of course, if things go to plan for Ward, this fight would only reconfirm his versatility and craftiness.
     
  4. Uncle Rico

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    Which reminds me, I'd love to see how he'd deal with Froch more than anyone else. Not because the British-brawler is talented or anything, but because his style may put forth a few hurdles for Ward to overcome. I'd like to see the bigger and more powerful Froch's reaction should Ward attempt to take it to him on the inside.
     
  5. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good post.

    I think there are little gaps in Ward's defense as well; he's not as fundamentally sound there as he is with some other things he does e.g. punching technique.

    All this said though, to me he looks VERY promising and quite possibly he is the best fighter in the game today. He's the most skillful guy to come along since Mayweather and if he has the intangibles you describe he will have a wonderful career.
     
  6. rocky538

    rocky538 Lineal Champion Full Member

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    Skills will beat ward not tough guys or supposed pressure fighters, Froch and Andrade are effective vs. a certain type of boxer but they're not going to beat Ward. Ward's technical skills and smarts keep him out of those dark waters, that's the whole point.

    In my opinion Bute/Direll/Ward are the 3 best SMW's in the world if Ward loses it will be to one of those guys and it will be because the better boxer won, these guys are all above the rest.
     
  7. Uncle Rico

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    :lol:

    Your avatar is awesome.
     
  8. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    His chin hasn't really been tested yet but he looks the best all round boxer at 168 by some margin. The only 2 who may test his chin is Abraham who has the power and acccuracy and Bute who has the speed and good power of his own. Still he should outbox both of them to UDs. Froch will be made to look stupid, Bika isn't a challenge either. Dirrell's speed may test him but Dirrell is terrible inside and doesn't really like to be in a fight.
     
  9. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    1 thing is he got knocked down early in his career
     
  10. David UK

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    Before the Super Six, posters on here were writing him off as a no-hoper and yet two fights later, only one of which was against a Super Six opponent, suddenly he's the best SM in the world!!! The truth, as usual, lies somewhere in between.
     
  11. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You don't think he's the best SM right now? Who is iyo?
     
  12. David UK

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    He MIGHT turn out to be the best SM, but wins over Kessler and Green(both at home) do not qualify him for such status yet. The Super Six will determine who is the best.

    Froch has the best resume.Last five fights...

    Pascal home won
    Taylor away won
    Dirrell home won
    Kessler away lost
    Abraham neutral ?
     
  13. FlatNose

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    Abraham, Froch and Kessler are the over rated ones.
    Wards weaknesses will be exposed as time goes on.
    But he's still a full level above anyone else in the super 6.
     
  14. Ramón

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    He didn't ask who had the best resume, numbnuts. He asked who was the best.

    And the only way the winner of the super six determines the best SMW is if Bute dies before the winner can fight him.
     
  15. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ramon - Last I checked, unbiased and intelligent threads are prohibited on ESB. You'll have to delete this one. ;) I agree with everything you said. Ward could go on to be the best the division has seen. He is remarkably resourceful, cagey, technically advanced beyond all SMWs of recent memory, and will get into the dirt when he has to. But what happens if Bute catches him with an uppercut, or if AA gets to him late, or if he can't track down Dirrell (has Ward ever had to deal with a slick, fast fighter with exceptional movement?). The main thing that I think could work against him is that he doesn't have the power to truly threaten his opponent. Calzaghe got away with that later in his career because he made up for it with insane punch volume. But will Ward have enough to keep powerful SMWs, and LHWs off of him late in the fight? Time will tell.