Doping expert Victor Conte's take on dope test.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Zavy, Dec 25, 2009.


  1. MexicanJew

    MexicanJew Jajajajajaja Full Member

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    Nice to read an article from someone that knows what the **** they are talking about
     
  2. Yup it's Mayweather Sr. not Jr.

    Still, would you accept that as Floyd Sr. accusing Manny of juicing?

    It's close, but I don't know if it would stand up in court.
     
  3. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    Find it where he said he wanted to know when. Find a quote.
     
  4. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would be suspicious if he was on roids if he beat Mike Tyson.Hatton and Cotto are roughly his height and are overrated here.People assuming to beat these guys he must be on steroids.GTFO!!Cotto has looked terrible ran in 3 of his last fights and Hatton has been KTFO and wobbled in others.PAc has weighed 144 and up fight night since 2006,he isn't as small for the weight as people think,Hugton and Cotto ain't big Welterweights and their defence ain't the best in the business.
     
  5. DoubleM

    DoubleM Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    You might have missed..."One in febuary, one 30 days before the fight, and one after the fight."

    That doesn't seem like random drug testing to me, pal.
     
  6. Zavy

    Zavy A fan among experts Full Member

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    **** a quote...when you set the dates that you won't test then you are saying when it is cool for you to test.
     
  7. elTerrible

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    Mosley was on EPO for DLH 2. He didnt look like anything out of the ordinary. You dont have to. Its just that the normal urine test are completely useless for it and this is coming from the guy who sold EPO to all kinds of athletes including shane (who also never failed a test)
     
  8. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    So why is floyd mayweather having to bring this up and not the sanctioning bodies???
    This is absurd that all the sudden Manny Pacquiao is some criminal who needs special monitoring.
     
  9. Zavy

    Zavy A fan among experts Full Member

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    When it boils down to it...I don't even think that they really believe he is doping...or they didn't at first. I think the whole thing was a head game...with the press release and all. Me, as a man would feel obligated to prove I am a flat out beast and take the test whenever wherever. Most people do not feel this way, and nothing is wrong with that. But when you start saying **** like superstitions, fear of needles( when you are tatted up among other things) then you become suspect. It would not benefit anyone except boxing haters if he is juicing...I really hope he is not. People are two faced, though. The same ones who through stones at Barry Bonds before any doping was made public are crying foul against Manny. In any event...I hope this is just promo cause this is a once in a generation type of fight.
     
  10. Twirdman

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    Thing if he was on EPO for fight night a blood test would be noticed in the post fight blood draw. Since for epo or blood doping to be effective you have to have increased red blood cell counts during the fight, and if he is found such increased levels then accusations can start to cycle. There is really no way to cycle off EPO for a post fight blood test since to be effective you need to have increased red blood cells during the fight.
     
  11. elTerrible

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    They dont do blood test normally they do urine tests and the quote from the guy who sold Mosley the EPO was "Traditional testing in boxing, it's basically worthless other than the detection of some types of stimulant, before and after a fight."
     
  12. SOUTHERMOST

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  13. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hey, what do you know? Conte agrees with me:

    "The Mayweather camp and Golden Boy Promotions, has insisted- against Bob Arum's wishes- on employing USADA( the United States Anti-Doping Agency) and their methods to monitor both boxers leading into the fight( which is now in serious jeopardy). But USADA's testing is hardly foolproof, as two of Conte's most famous clients, Marion Jones and Tim Montgomery, avoided detection for years from this organization.

    "There's lots of loopholes. They call that the 'gold standard testing'. I've said this as far back as 2004, that there are huge loopholes that you can drive an equivelant of a Mack Truck through. the USADA testing is certainly better than what is used in professional sports but it's still relatively easy to beat the test,"
     
  14. KO Boxing

    KO Boxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agreed.
     
  15. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I like how you cut it off before he said that the USADA methods are better than any of the professional sport testing methods currently being used. Try posting his statement in its entirety instead of just a snip that supports your point of view. He also went on to say he believed randomized testing was the most effective way to catch people using PEDs.

    Just because it is not fool proof does not mean you should use other testing methods that are easier to beat.

    Conte also said the current boxing testing method is worthless. Of course, no need to cut and paste that since it does not support your argument right?