Doping In Boxing

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  1. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    Top athletes dont get PEDs only to cheat. They are obliged to get PEDs to recover better:

    Said by Ben Johnson disqualified sprinter for doping at Seoul Olympics (1988) in a interview:

    "The intensity of the training - says Johnson - made me understand immediately what were the things I should have taken. They made me work more than 40 hours a week and no athlete could have survived without help, because at some point it is your body that tells you to stop. It is true that steroids allow you to recover faster, so you can train more, while it is wrong to think that steroids themselves are bad. Cocaine and heroin are, because they kill people. Steroids do not, if they are taken under control."
     
  2. Jpreisser

    Jpreisser Well-Known Member Full Member

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    To piggyback off of this point, people also need to understand that many dopers do not get caught, despite testing positive. You see, whenever someone tests hot the organization has to have either a zero tolerance policy in relation to a drug or prove that the only way they they could have tested hot was because they were doping. The name of game for athletes, then, is to create enough suspicion around the results that the organization cannot say with absolute certainty that the athlete was doping. Someone like WADA has to know that said athlete doped because it doesn't have the budget to pursue cases of grey, especially when big money athletes can drag court cases out. Plenty of athletes have suspicious biological passport results but their PED team is smart enough to know that they need to keep within certain ranges so they don't trigger a legal response.
     
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  3. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Deep.
     
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  4. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd say using PEDs to recover is exactly why it is cheating. You used PEDs, you recover quicker, you can train more. The more you practice the better you are.
    A guy trains his whole life on PEDs and briefly comes of them for an event so he tests clean. He is going to be so much better than a guy who was 100% clean his whole life. The PED cheat has so much more practice and training under his belt. It's really a situation of once you use, you are forever benefiting (barring any hormonal damage from excessive abuse)
     
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  5. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A man of principle is one thing, but if you're able to beat the testing you may as well call for all the testing you can. It only hurts the less sophisticated operations.

    If those three all fought each other and the other 7 disappeared it would be the best year of HW boxing we've had in a long time.

    Unfortunately all three are hitting the point where the temptation to dope becomes much greater than it's ever been.
     
  6. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    I absolutely did not want to justify those who get Peds. I agree with you that it is cheating anyway. I just wanted to emphasize the fact that doping is as addictive as drugs and that therefore those who start doping are obliged to continue doping in order to obtain better wellness and sports performance.
     
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  7. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Family livelihoods are at stake.
     
  8. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great post.
     
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  9. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Its funny. Because for years weight lifters who became famous like Arnold and such would endorse these work out routines they did.
    And of course everybody would jump to do them because hey your talking about Arnold who knows about weightlifting!
    Then years latter you find out that unless your jucing you can physically do his routine naturally.
     
  10. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    I wanted to point out that top athletes also get PEDs in the past even if the percentages were lower than today. Over the decades, however, we have gone from simple strychnine and amphetamines, to the administration of androgens, growth and adrenal hormones to the new substances of today (molecules and aminoacids) completely synthesized in the laboratory, many of which difficult to detect by normal doping controls.
     
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  11. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Another good indicator of doping not already mentioned, is fighters who are able to compete at world level at 35 years old and over.

    This especially applies to fighters who at 35+ are fighting at the same level or a higher level, than they were were when they were 25 or 30.

    It simply isnt biological possible without PEDs to be fighting at world level at 35 and over. If you look at previous eras you were all washed up.

    Today, at a very weak division like HW. Fighters over the age of 35 are belt holders and challengers for belts.

    If you want to understand how rife PEDs are in elite professional sports. I recommend listening to larry olubamiwo on various podcasts.
     
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  12. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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  13. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I remember a competitor of Armstrong said after his last win was asked if he thought Armstrong was cheating, he replied, " he has to be because the rest of us were"..
     
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  14. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are absolutely right, today a 37 year old Joe Louis on roids would be a killer