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You do make me laugh haggis, you do actually know **** about MMA

Of course EVERYONE wants to see a rematch of a fight that went 60 seconds...yeah no body wants to see the Cormier fight... Of course we should dismiss a guy who's flabby, Cain beat Brock fir ****s sake....

****ing idiot

 

I'm not trying to get into a fight with you. :-( All you ever ****ing do is insult me on a personal level as soon as I express an opinion that's different than yours. Get off your high horse for five seconds will you, you ****ing child? Just have a discussion instead of waiting for your first chance to throw a tantrum. :-(

If I misinterpret you or what you are saying, then correct me. Or preferably make sure that the wording of your posts makes sense. :deal

Even without the Strikeforce obligation, Cormier is under 6 month medical suspension for a fractured hand. Agreed?

So he's got to serve that, THEN book a fight in Strikeforce, THEN if he wins that he can come over and fight for the title.

Is this what you want? For that to be the leadup to Cigano's next title defence? Wait for almost a year to watch Cormier fight someone else? :blood

And if you don't want to see Junior sit on the sideline for more than a year while he's fit and healthy, then what's your second choice?

Overeem? Nope, can't do it.
Brock? :rofl
Hunt? :rofl:rofl

Why not Cain? Why anyone BUT Cain? :huh

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Nice backtracking haggis...The UFC HW division is trong when the next best match is against again who got kodded in 60 seconds...

 

So I saw your edit. You DO want Junior to sit on his ass for 15 months or so, holding the belt hostage, while waiting to see IF Cormier wins his next fight. That's your master plan. atsch

I want to see the Cormier fight too, you ****ing ******. :-(

But the FACT of the matter is, that fight is NOT going to happen for more than a year. BEST CASE scenario. atsch

That being the case, I don't want to see the HW belt put on ice for more than a year, especially when we have a fit, healthy champion in his prime who has a chance to build a dominant legacy.

So instead of just insulting me like you always do, what are your ideas?

You want to see JDS-Cormier? Fine, good for you. Here's the news. That fight is off the table until mid-2013. So what's next? You want Overeem? Overeem's dumb ass is banned, so he can't fight. So who's next? You want Hunt? You want Brock? Why would EITHER of those guys be a better opponent for Cigano than Cain is? :-(

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I'm with Stoo on this one, I don't want to see a Cain rematch because IMO it's going to be the same thing all over again.

Maybe it will go past 2 min, maybe even it will go into round 2, but I don't see Cain winning against JDS, I don't see it going to a decision !


Haggis I don't understand why you dont think Hunt deseerve a title shot ??

It's not like the UFC ever had any clear ranking or contender list, they can pick and choose anyobody they want !

But no, the only thing BBF wants is the latino viewers...

But either way the fight is being made, so who cares....

 

OK Forrest...when's your next ping pong match...I'll answer when you have something relevant to say

 

Maybe. Maybe it'll be very different. The fact is that Cain has pretty much bulldozed everyone he's faced except Junior. And he's never shown a bad chin, except for getting laid out by Junior, which was a temple shot right at the start of the fight.

I can see Cain winning. Cain is a beast. Wouldn't be a shocker if he won. And it's a classic striker vs wrestler matchup.

Some reasons:

1) Wins over Kongo and Rothwell don't push him to the front of the line.

2) He's put three wins together. Over journeymen/gatekeepers. Before that, he suffered six straight stoppage defeats. The last one was in one minute to a fighter who's since been cut because Hunt was the only guy he beat in the UFC.

3) For the casuals, he doesn't look the part of a credible title challenger. He's flabby, he's got a .500 record, he's not a former champion, he's almost 40 years old.

4) It's just not a good fight. :conf Hunt is a striker, but Junior has all the advantages. Anything other than JDS beating the **** out of him Roy Nelson-style would be a huge surprise.

Yeah they can choose whoever they want. And why would they choose Hunt? :huh

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For sucks sake

 

Cain got rocked twice in the Kongo fight, not saying he got a bad chin, just saying it's not far from being made of iron either

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Irrelevant...since you agreed they can choose whoever they want. Hunt is there to bang, will go past the first round and is a better striker then most other JDS past opponent.

Former K-1 champion at least, Couture was past 40 years old...cmon are you childish to the point of just hating on the guy ?

You opinion, same as the rematch of Cain with JDS

Because Hunt wasn't previously KOED by JDS in less then 2 min...

After that are we going to see JDS vs Mur2...since he got past the first round ?

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I know... :nut

 

IMO that fight shows that Cain's chin is good. He got solidly tagged by a known finisher, survived pretty easily and went on to dominate the fight.

2012 Hunt has not shown that he's a title-shot-level guy. Simple as that. He has no recent significant victories. He's three fights removed from a 0-6 sreak where he got stopped every time. His MMA record looks very average and he is clearly well past prime.

Now I like Mark Hunt, but I don't like him as a title challenger. 2012 Hunt has not shown that he is at that level. Cain has. Let's see Hunt beat a contender first, eh? That's not so unreasonable - that he first beat one contender instead of a gatekeeper like Kongo?

Yeah, 40 year old Couture was a recent UFC HW champion, also a legend of the sport, the most famous guy in the organization and a proven winner at the highest level.

And yeah, Hunt was a K1 champion................ a decade ago.

Let Hunt beat a Mir, a Carwin, ****, let him beat a Struve and I'll be a lot happier with a title shot.

We all trade opinions, that's what this place is here for, so what is your point? Just like your stance that Hunt "will go past the first", is an opinion, though you present it like it's fact. :nono

No, he was submitted by McCorkle in less than 1 minute. Much better. :-(

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That's a joke right ? the only thing that fight proved is that unlike JDS, Kongo isn't quick enough to react and take the dominant position to finish the fight. Cain got rocked by the same exact punch from JDS.

Irrelevant...

First off, that's called projection. I'm not trying to present anything as a fact, the only thing I'm saying is that Hunt is as good as a choice then Cain, if not better because at least Hunt hasn't been KOED by JDS in less then 2 min 2 fights ago.

Soo...? Is the fight against McCorckle ?
You mean they should hire Joaquim Ferreira for the rubber match ? :huh

 

Careful how you talk about Kongo. He's Hunt's best win in the UFC. :yep

Look, obviously it's not ideal that the best available contender got KOed by the champion 2 fights ago.

But it's not like Cain got the **** beaten out of him. He got caught by a temple shot right at the start of the fight. Cain is a beast, an extremely dangerous fighter, and it's stupid to pretend that Junior is going to KO him with the first serious shot he throws in the rematch, just because it happened in the first one.

How is pointing out that Hunt has not beaten a legitimate title contender irrelevant when you're talking about him getting a title shot? :huh

That's all I've said against the guy. Let him beat a contender first.

"Will go past the first round" means you're presenting it as absolute fact. :nono Otherwise you would have said "will more than likely go past the first" or something along those lines.

So that's the entirety of your argument? :huh

Hunt is it because at least he hasn't been KOed by JDS 2 fights ago?

2 fights ago, Hunt had just KOed a nobody in the guy's retirement fight. That finally snapped a six-fight run of getting stopped every time he fought. But then, after this comeback victory Hunt did go on to beat two gatekeepers, so that's something.

No, it's against the heavyweight champion, a man in his prime who has been dominating everybody. To earn that shot, Hunt should BEAT A CONTENDER. Not get a win over a journeyman like Kongo. Beat a legit, dangerous guy who is in the title picture himself.

Is it REALLY that out of line to suggest that the guy should beat a contender before getting a title shot? :conf Hunt has beaten nobody of note in the UFC. He had some great fights in PRIDE - several years ago, in Japan, and hence all but useless for the UFC's marketing division.

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No **** Sherlock ? Are you a ****in fanboy ? The fight lasted less then 2 min, Cain got hurt with one of the first punch JDS threw....what does it take for you to call a beat down a beat down ???

I'm gonna go with Stoo and just ask you do you know how to read or you are simply an idiot ?

We already established that it doesn't matter who did what, that the UFC can ask Hunt to fight for the title anyway.

You can rant all you want with your "boxing ranking mentality" that doesn't fit into the UFC HW division.

....Because it's

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There is no official ranking, the UFC HW division always been some kind of a joke and Brock Lesnar got a title fight after being 1-1 in the UFC...ENOUGH SAID !!!!!

atsch
Bottom line is that my opinion at least Hunt will prolly go past the first round, because at least him he has a "tested" chin ( Even though I am the first one to admit that "chinchecking" is something alot more complicated then only saying the guy got KOED or rocked by a ****in punch) unlike Cain who got oblitarated by JDS in less then 2 min

FACT: Cain doesn't have a iron chin, he got rocked twice by the same ****in punch and in one of those 2 fight he got finished

But seriously...you are bringing syntax into this argument...that's winner...nut

Dude...it's MMA not boxing....****in Couture is 1.74 and Hunt is 1.14

Stop using boxing mentality to analyse MMA, not the same sport not the same thing...it's getting ****in annoying....and I thought that coming from somoneone like you you would have understood that...but doesn't seems to be the case...I overestimated you prolly... !

You want Hunt to get some more fight before he can fight for the title, he will, but that is BS, the same ****in it was BS Lesnar got a shot at the title after loosinf to Mir and wining a ****in fight against a past prime Heath Hearring....double standard as usual....the fact you keep arguing with us about this is just the prime ****in exemple of how cluesless you are.

Yes, Cain included....but not Hunt yet...

In the UFC HW division....YES IT'S OUT OF THE LINE !!!

Not happy about it....go winne to Brock Lesnar, if he didn't had a joke of a title shot, I wounld't even try to argue for Hunt to get it buuuut....since he had is title shot...Hunt is 10 000 more legit then ****in Lesnar...


Either way, the fight is ****in happenning, it won't go past the first round and it will have the exact same ****in ending(FYI you brainless man, that's an OPNINION, not a fact) and when next year we are still going to have a JDS VS Cain III because ****in BBF really wants the latino viewers and Hunt will be screwed yet again from a title shot I will bump that ****in thread and just laugh...

 

They should've given the shot to Cormier.

Now if by chance Cain wins, they have an issue with the 2 fighting each other. This way they at least get Cormier a guarunteed solid shot at UFC Gold.