Too many Calzaghe haters are ABSOLUTELY GUTTED that Joe retired undefeated, which meant the haters NEVER had their 'day in the sun'. The real shame about Calzaghe is that he wasted his peak years with Warren just as Hatton did. Calzaghe was well over the hill when he fought Kessler,Hopkins and Jones
I think Hopkins knew or atleast thought he would lose and thats why he wouldnt take the fight, in much the same way i beleive Calzzaghe was scared of Jones and made sure that didnt happen. To many people accept Calzaghe avoided Jones but then just turn a blind eye and rationalise why Hopkins avoided him. The fight was tailor made for Hopkins, in his country, for a belt, for career payday, the truth is he didnt beleive he could win.
how do you know when calzaghe was over the hill when he never fought a world class fighter in his prime as a benchmark? and i'm not a hater. the man was a class fighter, but he ****ed up his legacy by talking up his game instead of doing it when it mattered.
And you say i have calzaghe on a pedastool but i really dont lol, i deal with facts and i enjoy psychology so i understand bias. You tell me i wont change my mind and its pointless debating because i wont accept it was calzaghes fault the fight never happened. Yet the facts we have is fighter A offered to fight fighter B in their home for a career high payday and put his belt on the line. Fighter B at the final minute demanded twice the agreed price and priced himself out of it. How can you even try to turn that around and blame calzaghe for the fight never happening.
i've answered the post where you said people don't want to answer so-and-so about calzaghe and repeated what i said to you a week ago. if you believe what you're defending you'll answer it straight...so will the others.
Well ive admitted what he did wrong in his career and ive stated many times here i beleive it is his own fault the jones fight never happened. Ive also stated how i beleive he should have given Johnson the fight in the end ect. Because these are all things that can be backed up easily enough with facts of some kind. But so is the fact that the Hopkins fight didnt happen due to Hopkins not Calzaghe. I deal with realism and the facts cannot be disputed, it was by Hopkisn hand and his verbal decision that the fight did not happen. If it was not for his decision that day the fight would have happened. I know you beleive it was Calzaghes job to then carry on chasing Hopkins like a dog on heat but the fact Hopkins demanded such an insane ammount probally sent a message to calzaghe and his camp that it just was not going to happen.
I also want to state i have never started a thread whining about Hopkins not fighting him. I merely respond to people who accuse Calzaghe of not trying to fight Hopkins earlier.
if the facts cannot be disputed then quote me from my posts above instead of going over old ground. i'm not replying to people anymore who avoid what i've said and try to start a new train of thought without tackling mine head - on. quote me and be specific...because i won't lose an argument against you, davidUK or the pugilist guy if any of you do that.
fair enough. but i spent 2 hours the other week replying and replying straight all the way. so i'm not ****ing around anymore if you want to choose to ignore it becasue you don't want to hear it....
i'll reply to everyone's post head-on and people are going to do the same from now on if you want credibility
"if you want to fight the man you challenge the man.... lacy did, kessler did. why do you think the rules change for calzaghe with hopkins and jones?" The rules didnt change he did challenge Hopkins, thats the issue im addressing. I admit he didnt do enough to call out Jones so we in agreement there, but for Hopkins we not. "he was the legit champ at SMW but he used his 'european buffer' and allegiance with frank warren to make sure those 'risky fights' didn't happen until jones and hopkins were old and beaten." Once again how is offering to fight Hopkins in america for a career highpay and offering his belt on the line a good tactic of avoiding a fight with him. "the hopkins - calzaghe fight wasn't finalised because calzaghe was high risk - low reward...how many times do you want me to say that?" How was he low reward? he offered a career high pay day and a belt. "why do you think hatton got his fights against pacman and floyd but calzaghe never got near hopkins and jones in their prime? " Because Floyd and Pacman both knew without a doubt they had nothing to fear from Hatton is my prediction ( This bit is just IMO tho)
WELL DONE :good seriously. but lacy and kessler knew they had to go to calzaghe because he had 'all the marbles'...they did and the best man won. the 'rules did change' because getting a fight with hopkins or jones has nothing to do with calling them out if you're the king at SMW - it's about putting yourcards on the table and 'risking what you have' because the guys you want to fight are the best in the world and it's the highest pinnacle you can reach....NOBODY who makes their name in europe reaches that pinnacle..nobody! with hatton..that fight would never have happened if he wasn't marketable. and he was fast when he hit the US. why do you think gatti got floyd's breakthrough fight and not someone else? why do you think oscar fought anyone he wanted too?