Doug fisher,steve kim and michael montero on mayweather doping scandal

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  1. Doc Everlast

    Doc Everlast Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Or he is using USADA as a deterrent so his opponents wont get any ideas of trying to dope while he himself finds ways to beat the tests? Or maybe USADA's testing has so many holes in it Mr.Olympia would pass the test?:D
     
  2. Doc Everlast

    Doc Everlast Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But refuses to weigh himself the night of the fight. Indication that he is using some massive rehydration method.
     
  3. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    i don't think that's effective. if a fighter overhydrates massively he becomes sluggish.

    that's what you usually see in fighters that gains about 17-20 pounds from weigh in.
     
  4. J.BULLA

    J.BULLA Well-Known Member Full Member

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    USADA have always had zero credibility when it comes to testing in boxing

    Floyd is their cash cow

    He pays them $120'000 more than other fighters for the 'same' testing

    It's a joke

    Is Floyd a drug cheat.....most likely

    As most top boxers probably are

    The people who blindly defend Floyd are the same as those who blindly defend PAC........Silly children
     
  5. J.BULLA

    J.BULLA Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It doesn't matter whether tests were passed

    Rules were broken

    Simple as that

    If you drink and drive but don't kill anyone there should still be consequences

    But Floyd is too powerful so it's better for boxing fans that he is gone for now
     
  6. bw51

    bw51 Active Member Full Member

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    wrong

    alot of people have commented on the fact that USADA has claimed to test floyd
    before and after with CIR on this and other threads

    clearly you have failed to see it

    can we say with 100 percent certainty floyd was on peds, NO

    but we do know that IVs and vitamins are natural diuretics to flush out the system to alter blood and urine tests such as lance armstromg, thus for the reason they are illegal. fact

    but we do know they are disalllowed by WADA, and can only be administered by medical pracitioner with prior approval. retroactive exemption are only allowed in extreme cases where oral hydration is not an option...fact

    it is documented with medical consensus that oral hydration is superior to IV hydration which questions why anyone woudld use an IV in the first place.....this is an inference

    floyd is too close to fight weight for us to believe he is dehydrated....

    IN REGARDS to USADA TESTS, they can say whatever they want but bc there protocols are questionable...as they are not an agency of authority to grant TUE, conflict of interest is created when the agency administering the test is granting the exemption, let alone retroacticely. we are saying this is a clear violation of the WADA rulebook especially without a genuine medical reason. therefore, USADA no longer has any credibility without proof now as we do not know if floyd was using an IV well before to generate false positives to past the tests.

    inference...it was put into the contract in march/april that TUEs were ok without legal recourse from either party..this indicates some procedure which required a TUE was going to be used......a premeditated action...

    in addition to floyds T/E ratio, lower than bob arum, in which USADA never addresses, the onus on floyd to provide irrefutable proof should he wish to silence critics. USaDA saying that we tested him before and after doesnt mean anything given the evidence.

    unsurprisingly, floyd refuses to release his results. using an IV is equivalent to havingg no testing at all

    DO YOU GET IT NOW?
     
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  7. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Floyd Mayweather needs to be put on blast and answer to media questions as to why he needed IV's to hydrate when he weighs within 5 pounds of the welter limit weeks in advance.
     
  8. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He was caught once with an IV. Does that mean it was the only time he used an IV? And if he used it more or more regularly, how far back does it go? Being caught with an IV means he was using probably the best masking agent for evading the USADA tests. You only need an hour to push a whole bag of IV down and then you can pass USADA's tests. Lance has proven this methodology over a decade ago.


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  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Someone pointed out the other day that Floyd often goes out of his way during interviews to let people know how much he weighed in his fights but he refuses to take the time, all however many few seconds it takes to step on a set of scales, to prove it. This is an observation I've made in the past too. It always feels fake when he says it to me like he's trying too hard and he's making too big a deal of it. One thing about Floyd is, he isn't just a compulsive liar he's also a really bad one.
     
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  10. Doc Everlast

    Doc Everlast Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think it was me. Yes he hasn't had an official fight night weight for years. I don't buy that he weighed 149 on fight night against Manny. And claims Manny out weighed him. He's been close to 156- 158 I think.
     
  11. sparta

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    More conspiracy theories lol, you do realise usada were the guys that busted lance armstrong?? Why didnt they just shag him and let him be???
     
  12. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You didn't watch the video huh and basically know jack **** about it. USADA is dirty as ****. They never caught Lance doping. Lance never failed a test. USADA got him by threatening everyone around him then striking plea deals to force one to turn on the other. They did this over and over until they got up the food chain. Next time, do some homework before claiming USADA got Lance because they sure as heck did not do it by testing.

    You may rationalize that hey, they still got him. But at what cost? If USADA has to resort to using armed agents to intimidate and threaten ppl for confessions, something is wrong with this whole thing. They are not as clean as they make themselves out to be. And lets not forget where USADA came from, the super clean and not fraudulent USOC. HAHAHAHA!!!

    And if they went after Lance w/o any proof he doped, just a conspiracy of his doping machine. Why did they not go after Floyd, who was caught red handed with an IV. See the video of Lance's team using IVs? It's that ****ing easy dumbass to mask via IV and never FAIL a freaking test.

    Oh, they used to have a plastics test, aka the plasticizer test that could detect how much plasticizer is in your blood. This could then determine if you have just used an IV or blood transfusion. Floyd is lucky that test is not part of the battery of tests anymore.
     
  13. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    It hasn't been years, but he doesn't always weigh in. He weighed in for both Maidana fights just last year, and the Canelo fight.
     
  14. boxon123

    boxon123 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In October 1999, the USOC created USADA to begin operation in October 2000. Why ? To hide the fact they allowed exemptions for 100+ Positive drug tests . TRAVIS TYGART CEO OF USADA worked for the USOC.
    WADE EXUM EXPOSED THE USOC for the exemptions of Positive drugs test for Carl Lewis and Others .

    This is what I think is going on with USADA vs. Lance Armstrong, this is my hypothesis.

    In 2006 when I was at Interbike in Las Vegas I met with Dr. Wade Exum in person face to face with an eye witness being former professional and USA Cycling teammate of mine Justin Spinelli.

    During this meeting Dr. Wade Exum told me for a fact that USA Cycling and the USOC had full knowledge of doping by US Cycling Team Members and that they allowed them to compete even after they tested positive for doping.

    He told me then Lance Armstrong was being allowed to dope and also Tammy Thomas. I did some research of my own after I was fired and paired with my meeting with Dr. Exum, plus conversations with his very vocal wife Jan knew the exact questions to ask.

    I asked Dr. Exum if Travis Tygart of USADA stood against him in court? The documents I had found mentioned that Travis Tygart was representing the USOC vs Dr Wade Exum. I had doubts about Travis after he stopped returning my calls and after my conversations with USADA that seemed to be fact finding to cover up rather than to end doping.

    Dr. Wade Exum verified this information that Travis did stand against him as a member of the USOC's legal team which was hired from the lawfirm H.R.O.

    It is perhaps the biggest doping cover-up in all of sports.

    Dr. Wade Exum's report that 19 American medallists were allowed to compete at various Olympic Games from 1988 to 2000 despite having earlier failed drug tests shocked some people in the sporting community but was no surprise to others.

    For years, insiders had speculated that U.S. athletes were not immune to delving into doping to get ahead of the competition.

    But how could this be? American athletes often spoke publicly against illegal drug use in sport, cursing the sports regimes of East Germany and China for systemic doping practices.

    "There is no commitment to stopping the drug problem," said track and field star Carl Lewis in 2000. "People know the sport is dirty, the sport is so driven by records."

    Little did Lewis know he would be named in Exum's report.

    The five-time Olympic medallist was among the athletes named in more than 30,000 pages of documents released by former U.S. Olympic Committee anti-doping chief to Sports Illustrated and several newspapers in 2003. More than 100 athletes from several different sports tested positive for banned substances between 1988 and 2000 but were cleared by internal appeals processes.

    According to Exum's evidence, Lewis was one of three eventual Olympic gold medallists who tested positive for banned stimulants in the months leading up to the 1988 Seoul Games.

    Exum made the initial allegations about coverups in 2000, which led several sporting organizations – among them, the IOC, IAAF and the World Anti-Doping Agency – to pressure the USOC to re-examine how they conducted drug testing.

    Soon, the USOC turned over drug testing responsibilities to the newly founded U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. Don't worry, the USOC assured, this type of cover-up will never happen again.

    So far, it hasn't. (Well, aside from track and field's Jerome Young being allowed to compete – and win a gold medal – at the 2000 Sydney Olympics despite testing positive for steroids in 1999.)


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  15. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ^^Decanio's research? That guy outed the most dopers in his time.