Doug Jones 'They Changed Their Scorecards to Give it to Clay'

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  1. Senor Pepe'

    Senor Pepe' Boxing Junkie banned

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    Doug Jones,

    March 13, 1963

    Doug Jones, the New York Heavyweight who defeated 'The Bragging Heavyweight' - Cassius Clay
    last night in everyones eyes, except the '3' scoring officials at Madison Square Garden, said that
    the '2' judges at ringside doctored (changed) one of the rounds on their scorecards, giving a round
    to Clay, taking the round away from the 'classy' Heavyweight.

    Doug Jones, 'We had our people sitting right behind the judges Artie Aidala and Frank Forbes, to make
    sure they scored the bout fairly. We had been told that some 'shenanigans' could happen with Clay. And
    just like we thought, each judge changed one of the rounds, to give the fight to Clay, instead of me winning.'

    Doug Jones, 'One of Clay's 'owners' came into my dressing roo right after the bout, and he offered me money
    to go to Louisville to fight Clay in a rematch, and right away.'

    Doug Jones, 'Everyone knows who won this fight.'


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  2. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    had one great fight, but nothing beyond that.


    anyone can look great against a teenager for one night and then do nothing for the other twenty years of their life. Granted Dougie did much more than nothing, but he didnt do anything of note, did he?
     
  3. brnxhands

    brnxhands Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    none of that changes the fact he should have one the fight.
     
  4. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    And an actual win could have given Jones opportunities he did not get.
     
  5. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    My round by round scoring of the fight.

    R1 Jones: Good hard punch by Jones staggers Clay sending him into the ropes.
    R2 Even: Good action by either fighter.
    R3 Clay: Clay landed bombs in two different combinations, made Jones miss the whole round.
    R4 Clay: Clay landed more one twos upstairs but nothing too hard. Clay throwing more, exerting himself and looking tired.
    R5 Jones: Jones landed some bombs at the end of the round that had Clay holding on. He's also throwing more body shots.
    R6 Clay: Clay threw good combos and flurries. Jones has been hitting Clay on the hip to slow down his movement.
    R7 Clay: Clay circles and head hunts. Jones leaps in and lands one good shot immediately avenged by Clay. Jones looking tired.
    R8 Jones: Jones shook up Clay three times in the final minute.
    R9 Clay: Clay landing almost at will and trading shots with Jones. Clay stepped up his pace and sat down on punches.
    R10 Clay: At the beginning of the round Jones bullies Clay into the ropes punching the body. They trade in the center of the ring. Clay gets the better of it and Jones looks tired.

    6 Clay, 3 Jones, 1 Even
     
  6. Jear

    Jear Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So why would he not take the rematch he was supposedly offered??? Another of Pepes fantastical writinngs. Jones did better than expected against Clay but didnt win
     
  7. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There was a lot of big money behind Ali and a lot of connections with Dundee. My thought were that Doug Jones won but I have to watch it again. Jones was a rugged guy above 175lbs and a 188lb Jones was a beast, fast and brought the skill-set from the lower weight classes...good lesson for the Young Ali as was Cooper 1, but the CC=Ali popularity and the connections did not hurt.
     
  8. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Actually I think Jones had just knocked out a young Bob Foster and Zora Folley. He was a solid light heavyweight turned heavyweight.
     
  9. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jones exploited Clay's habit of moving backwards.

    If you score the fight on aggression....which a lot of boxing fans did back then, then Jones won.

    On the flip side, you had the Pretty Boy Olympic Champ trying to bring some new life to the Hvyweight scene after the closed shop of Ingo-Floyd threepeat, and bad-boy Sonny Liston bouncing all the other contenders off the canvas.

    Not surprising that Clay was given the decision and never looked back.
     
  10. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    This Myth that Jones won that fight needs to end. He did better than what was probably expected of him but Clay clearly won that fight IMO.
     
  11. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Precisely ! It was close,but no closer than Tyson-Tillis,for example but nobody talks about that one. A transitional bout for the young Cassius Clay. A tough one,but a victory he earned.
     
  12. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A young Ali had trouble early, but he pulled away clearly.

    I can't fathom a scorecard that has Jones winning. It might have been a fairly close fight, but not that close!
     
  13. Senor Pepe'

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    March 14, 1963

    The Associated Press,,

    'It was an obvious Doug Jones win, by a round scoring of 5-4, with '1' even.

    'If the noise in Madison Square Garden could determine the winner, it was by an
    overwhelming margin of 85% for Doug Jones, with the other 15% scattered between
    Cassius Clay and a 'Draw'.
     
  14. Stevie G

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    Very much influenced by expectation levels,methinks.
     
  15. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    5-4-1 is anything but obvious.

    A true blue even round is rarer than a Paulie Malignaggi knock out.

    6-4 Ali, maybe 7-3.