"Drained" the theory

I agree, it's used as an excuse for too often on this forum - along with "ducking" and "glass jaw"

 

true. i think you would agree with this thread "Is it no coincidence the greatest fighters of our era fight at walking-around weight?":

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=500946

 

:good

 

Agreed.
This drained excuse is very lame. As if fighters don't have trainers experienced in weight gain/loss and the impact either will have on their fighters.

 

Has to be the lamest excuse around. I just read today that Alvarado was drained so he lost to Provodnikov. When is a win just a win? How come Broner was able to beat up skinny guys when he was so drained? Surely Hopkins was drained against DLH. Rios should have been winless in his lightweight campaign.

Just stop.

 

What about the extreme cases? The Oscar vs. Pacquiao and Dawson vs. Ward examples?

Oscar hadn't fought at WW in 7.5+ years while Dawson hadn't fought at SMW in 6.5+ years.

 

Without trying to detract too much from your post - because it's a good one - you seem to be answering some of your own questions.

Yes fighters can re hydrate quickly, and yes fighters do drain weight so as they can fight smaller opponents.

But you are right in terms of "drained" being used as an excuse for poor performance. It is usually just a cop out when a fighter loses.

 

Actually Oscar fought at 150lbs against Steve Forbes previous to the Pac fight.

He was originally due to fight Mayweather at 147lbs as he was under the belief that he would fare better at 147lbs against Mayweather in the rematch then in their first match at 154lbs.

Team Pac didn't ask for the fight to be at 147lbs, that was the weight Oscar wanted it to be at and made Pac move from 135lbs to 147lbs. Oscar wasn't drained for that fight, he just got his ass beat by the better man and then his PR team came up with the 'Drained' excuse monday morning to the boxing media.

"Drained" is asking a fighter like Canelo who already struggles to make 154lbs to come in at 152lbs.

 

:deal

 

150 pounds is not WW. I didn't say "below JMW," I said "at WW."

"Haha" at the last statement you make... So you think the 152 CW for Canelo and the 145 CW for Cotto are greater examples of "being drained" than fighters competing at a division they haven't fought at in over half a decade? Cool.

As for the rest, I am not talking about the negotiation phase or who wanted what weight. I am simply asking about the physical affect and how a W over such a fighter should be valued.

Same with a Jorge Solis moving down to 126 to fight Gamboa after fighting at 130 for years... and so on and so on.

 

What load of bull****.:-(

 

I don't value the Oscar win a whole lot but I am not sure if weight was an issue with Dawson. He seemed live in the beginning but shelled up when he started getting tagged.

While I agree with you that weight wasn't the only reason Oscar lost I don't really see how Canelo's case was more severe.

 

Most fighters are drained for a fight. Anytime you're losing and putting on a good amount of weight in a short amount of time, it's going to negatively affect your athletic performance. At the end of the day, it's part of the sport.