Drew101's All-Time 140lb Tournament Thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Drew101, Sep 27, 2007.


  1. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's just about that time again...:D

    This time, we'll be focusing upon the jr. welterweights, and determining who, among them, is the very best at the weight. All fights will be fifteen rounds; if there are any contingencies, they'll be mentioned when the match-ups are made.

    For the sake of my own sanity, only 16 fighters will be included in the tournament. A few ground rules for choosing the participants- choices will be limited to those fighters who fought at 140lb when it was an established division; and, really, the fighters picked should have established a reasonable body of work while fighting at the weight. DLH looked about as good as he ever did at 140lbs...but, that doesn't necessarily mean that he should be picked over fighters who stayed in that division for a much longer period.

    Also, no fighters who are active at, or around the weight, will be selected (apologies in advance to all the PBH and Hitman Hatton fans.)

    So, as I see it, the following fighters are pretty much locks to be included...

    Julio Cesar Chavez
    Aaron Pryor
    Barney Ross
    Kostya Tszyu
    Nicolino Locce
    Antonio Cervantes
    Dulio Loi
    Jose Napoles
    Wilfred Benitez
    Tony Canzoneri
    Carlos Ortiz

    So...that leaves us with six to choose.

    The following certainly could be considered for inclusion:

    Bruno Arcari
    Juan Martin Coggi
    Frankie Randall
    Meldrick Taylor
    Eddie Perkins
    Saensak Maungsaurin
    Saoul Mamby
    Jackie "Kid" Berg

    And, I'm certain that cases could be made for others, as well.

    So, shall we begin this discussion?
     
  2. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Barney Ross Wins.

    Would also add Callahan.
     
  3. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    Great idea. But you have 11, and now we vote another 5 fighters for the tournament out of the group you wrote, right?
     
  4. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Indeed. One of these days, I'll learn how to count. :lol:
     
  5. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And, if you can think of other fighters who could, or should, be included on the list, then by all means feel free to mention them.
     
  6. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    No problem! :lol:
     
  7. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    Julio Cesar Chavez
    Aaron Pryor
    Barney Ross
    Kostya Tszyu
    Nicolino Locce
    Antonio Cervantes
    Dulio Loi
    Jose Napoles
    Wilfred Benitez
    Tony Canzoneri
    Carlos Ortiz


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    these fighters are sure, I would also nominate these fighters:

    Bruno Arcari
    John Henry Lewis
    Eddie Perkins
    Tippy Larkin
    Willie Joyce
     
  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Drew, Perkins, Taylor, Berg and Mamby are all excellent choices to fill out the 16. I would also mention the very underrated Carlos Hernandez who could knock you dead with one shot. Also, some top contenders to consider are Esteban DeJesus, Hector Thompson, Alfredo Urbina, Kenny Lane and Bunny Grant.

    Scartissue
     
  9. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member Full Member

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  10. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I would consider hatton a top 16 light welter weight for sure, i don't get why everyone is so up on tzysu sure he was a great champ but his big wins didin't exactly come against the very best and losing to hatton and phillips puts him lower than alot of you in my book.
     
  11. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    KT's record was impeccable for it's time. It's funny how plenty told us this one would beat him or that one but now he seems to get little credit for beating them.
     
  12. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Sugar Ray Robinson (GOAT, fought at 140 & sub 140 early in his career. Would have been a complete monster at the weight, would a green SRR clean up this tournament? I think so)

    Floyd Mayweather (ATG in our time, maybe his best at 140)

    Pernell Whitaker (Top 10 ATG, maybe at his best at this weight)

    Henry Armstrong (Wasnt Ross 140lb champ? Armstrong beat him weighing 135ish)

    Roberto Duran (skipper the division but he probably could have made 140 for his Leonard fight and was drained at 135 for years. Its beyond debate that Duran would have chewed up pretty much any 140lber on your list)

    Wilfred Benitez - 1 of the best 140lbers ever
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    Benitez, Ortiz and Napoles would make fair debate. Not on the list but we could add Armstrong and Williams at a pinch. Duran would certainly be a frightening nut to crack at 140 tho. He'd barely lose a shred of effectiveness, maybe none.
     
  14. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Benitez is on the list BTW.
     
  15. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Of this list Id defo go for chavez, hes the only 1 on the list who makes my all time top 10 p4p & I believe he was the goat at this weight aswell.