Drew101's All-Time 140lb Tournament Thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Drew101, Sep 27, 2007.


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  1. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    i have always felt you shouldnt put a fighter in a all time great tourny when he hasnt retired yet...he could beat mayweather out box pavlik and knock out maskaev and still not be in the tourny because the dust has to settle first.
     
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  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Yeah, whatever Drew decides i'll be happy with.
     
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  3. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah as long as Zack Padilla is there;)
     
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  4. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    :lol:

    :good
     
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  5. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bump...yeah, of the big names that I excluded, Duran would be the only one who I might consider for inclusion, since he did fight there quite regularly, and beat Mamby. Hell, his first fight with Dejesus was at junior welterweight. Robinson fought at 140lbs quite a bit, but I really don't want to include him, because that would skew the tournament.

    Whitaker and PBF didn't really stay there long enough to be included, and, fights against Pineda and Brazier (in the case of Whitaker), and Bruseles, Gatti, and Corley (in the case of PBF) just aren't enough of a guage to determine, for certain, how they'd fare against the very top tier at 140lbs. Plus, it would also skew the tourney, to some extant.

    Whitaker's already been in two tournaments, and Mayweather's going to be in the 130lb tourney. So, they're out.

    I'm on the fence about DLH. He beat Gonzalez and Chavez at the weight, but he didn't really stay there enough for me to include him.
     
    Drew101, Oct 2, 2007
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  6. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well he was there longer Duran, indeed Duran never fought in the Junior Welterweight division...
     
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  7. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    John Henry Lewis? WTF?
     
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  8. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lewis was a light heavyweight.
     
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  9. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Most of Henry Armstrongs Featherweight fights were at 130+, he only competed at 126 and below on 16 occasions. I have never seen a poll on Top featherweights excluding Henry Armstrong

    Sugar Ray Robinson fought around 26 times at 140lbs and below and was beating lightweight and former welterweight champions at a weight of 140lbs. Also do we seriously believe that when he was 144lbs he couldnt have made 140lbs when today 140lbers weigh 155 in the ring?

    Duran made 140 for 10 years, if he didnt have to strip an extra 5lbs he would be even better than his 135 days.
     
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  10. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you fight from 136-140, then you're fighting as a junior welterweight.
     
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  11. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Whitaker and Mayweather did fight at 140lbs and could have made 140 at their 147 fights. Mayweather could make 140lbs in his next fight if he wanted too, thats his natural weight

    Not to mention Mayweather fought Corrales who weighed 147lbs while fighting at 130 and Castillo who weighed around 150lbs while fighting at 135.

    I also would mention Gatti is an underrated win on Mayweathers record and not quite the C Class bum hes got labelled as today. Gattis beat ranked fighters like Dorin, Leija, Ward, Patterson, Rodriguez, Ruelas, Millet. Thats some decent contenders, Dorin was an unbeaten top3 in the lightweight division and got robbed against Spadafora during a unification title fight
     
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  12. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not true, you get catchweight matches which Duran fought in when having non title fights as the Lightweight World Champion...

    Between 1971 and 1979 Duran and the boxing world considered Duran a Lightweight; January 1979 until LeonardII Duran was considered a Welterweight, at no time was he ever considered a Junior Welterweight...


    Although I would concede he was a Super Lightweight;)
     
    TBooze, Oct 2, 2007
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  13. JohnThomas1

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    I'll give you one thing, you're one of a kind.
     
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  14. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    A pain in the arse you mean.
     
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  15. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agreed about Gatti. His run at 140lbs was pretty impressive..especially given the fact that he'd been written off before moving down to that weight. It's one of Mayweather's better wins; especially given how impressive he was in that fight.

    But are the Corley and Gatti fights, on their own, impressive enough to warrant inclusion into an all-time tournament at 140lbs, where the main criteria for entry is accomplishments at the weight? The same question has to be asked of Whitaker, too..since his body of work at the weight consisted of Brazier and Pineda.

    For that matter, the same question has to be asked of DLH, since Chavez was on the slide, and so, to a lesser extant, was Gonzalez.

    I don't know. But, again, the main criteria is accomplishment, not necessarily talent, or head-to-head ability. If I were basing it on the latter two categories, they'd be in for certain.
     
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