Drug testing naievity

Your point MrWonderful?

 

i agree with the part about testing and banning in europe compared to america, but i am not sure just how much drug abuse there is in the sport of boxing USA or europe.

increased muscle is not really needed in most boxing weights unless you bulk up to a heavy from cruiser, where i do think it has gone on.

paq is where the debate seems to be centered at the moment , but is he on something, i do not know.

best way to test is as you say what the rest of the worlds sports have to do , that is test out of comp , randomley , only trouble is do countries like the philipines have state of the art labs , nope.

so the rules would only apply to western first world countires as far as it could be implemented world wide.

one thing that is defenatly wrong as has been pointed out is that an american fighter testing positive has virtual immunity and the bans are laughable.

james toney would have been banned for life for 2 drug tests if he was a european boxer.

tony oakey a british light heavy champ failed once for a recreational drug and was banned on the spot for 1 year.

a british amatuer fighter failing one test is banned for life from ever taking part in the olympics etc etc etc.

but in other sports like athletics and olympic sports america has changed its lax policy and is now very tough on drug tersting and drug cheating.

no way would marion jones have served a prison sentance in europe.

in the 80`s carl lewis / etc etc etc were allowed to get away with it IMO because the east germans especially were on state run drug programes juiced tio a man and woman not a single swimmer or runner not on a whole cocktail and that is what americans had to compete against.

west germans /uk /rest of the world obviously at a big disadvantage in this time period , although undoubtably individual athletes cheated.

i think most boxers american and rest of the world are clean although better testing would help confirm it.

 

You hit the nail right on the head. The problem with most people is that they are looking at this entire testing thing from an emotional stand point. If Manny had asked Floyd for full random testing and Floyd refused then we all know Floyd would be having to testify before congress right now. If Manny asked Floyd I would agree and say that Floyd should take the test bc as a boxing fan and someone who boxed before I know as well as you and everyone else that the testing in boxing is out dated and stupid. The most dangerous sport on the planet only has post fight test instead of pre fight test. They already take blood for your pre fight physical so why not test that blood for PED's as well. That could be a start.

 

So who is the drug testing commission in Boxing?

 

Boxing the most dangerous sport on the planet?

UFC, Strikeforce, MMA.

Boxing the most dangerous sport on the planet? You sound too emotional.

 

Well then tell me what the testing is like for those sports? Is it random? While hell no. So to be fair lets say fighting sports period and the testing policy in all of them. Now do you care to add anything to what has been said in this thread.

 

german/uk/france each have there own boxing commisions which test fighters and send the results to be analysed at there own countries olympic drug testing labs.

amatuers from these countries have random out of comp drug tests

pros as far as i know have tests during british/commonwealth/european and world title fights only.

below this level i do not think europe tests at all.

 

Stop acting like you have meaningful to contribute on the topic.

Point is. Floyd is not the commission that rule over drug testing procedure.

If the tread starter did not drag pacman into his argument then I may have believe we have a thread on drug testing worthy of reasonable debate.

Want to change the drug testing procedure? Then go to the commission and change the drug test policy from there.

And stop acting like Floyd ***** by saying that Pacman should take the test.

 

Thank you.

And in the US?

 

Good points, the more testing the better. We all hope the likes of pac are clean but he should be asked to prove it, but even the testing demanded by floyd does not go beyond the run up to the fight, plenty of time for cheators (whoever they may be) to do something inbetween fights to improve conditioning and whatever they do, year round random testing is needed to be sure, run up to fight random testing is a lot better than whats there at the moment though, even though for some reason boxing authorities seem happy with what they have got

 

See that's our problem. Pressing Pacman to prove his innocence, if the commission's drug test procedure is random then Pacman should submit to it.

OSDT goes all year round not only during the training camp. Meaning a boxer must be random tested even if not fighting. Most of time juicer juice up in between.

 

I agree that in many countries - the US being the most influental - drug testing is near non-existent and fans don't demand it when in fact the unfortunate cold truth is that boxing - like any other sport - is tainted with PEDs. It is, there's no argument about it, and even though just a few fail every year - and it's not easy to fail, believe me - it's still an issue.

Shane Mosley cheated in the Oscar De La Hoya rematch and the W still hasn't been changed to a DQ despite a sworn statement in federal court. In the US state rules decide the method of drug testing, and believe me, Nevada for one doesn't want to lose half it's fights because of strict drug testing.

But one thing must be noted: as much as the naivety of 'oh our sport is not tainted' there's some naivety of 'strict drug testing will get rid of PEDs'. Cyclists are on PEDs, it's not unlikely that ALL top athletes in Spain are on PEDs, Marion Jones was on EPO when the world - including WADA - hadn't even heard about it etc. Boxing needs Olympic style drug testing regardless, but who cheat will always find a way to go around the system and will take a chance if PEDs allow them to make more money.

 

I completely agree.