Drug testing naievity

You know how boxers would beat year round testing? They would retire after every fight! Sound like anyone?

 

Americans are drug cheats. We've known this forever.


And for the record, Marion Jones only ever failed ONE drug test. It was a urine test.

 

there are drugs now where the only way you can test is to do a muscle biopsy..

 

It is to early to tell as MMA is a relatively new sport so we will probably have to wait a good few years to get a good idea of the effects of a long, hard MMA career, but I have always felt that boxing is more dangerous than MMA in regards to long term health.

Yes MMA is the modern day gladiator sport as you say and it is more brutal with the smaller gloves and ability to strike an opponent with parts of the body other than the fist but as we have seen with boxing many times over the years, it is often the long, grueling fights rather than the brutal early KO's that effect a fighters health the most. Boxing fights tend to last longer and because there is no ground fighting allowed a boxer takes far more damage from heavy shots than an MMA figter would in a typical fight.

There is also the training aspect. I am not a boxer or MMA fighter so i don't know for sure (i would welcome any input on it), but i always assumed a boxer would be getting hit on the head more in training as their sparring is always stand up fighting were as MMA fighters would have to spend a good deal of their sparring working on their grund game.

 

MMA is far more dangerous. These guys can use Elbow, Knees, Virtually any parts of their body.

There's a reason why these fight are scheduled for a few rounds only.

You are not at a liberty to hit an MMA fighter at the head during training, these guys wear thin gloves with no head gear. And MMA is a Mixed martial arts, meaning you need to know how how Jujitsu, Wrestling, Grappling works and how to counter them.

I have been into a Martial Arts camp and head shot is a big no no.

But then again if we will focus on the commulative damage over the fighters career then you have an argument there Jacko. :good

 

It really doesn't matter where your at in the world or what kind of testing measures are in place to prevent and catch cheats.....Cheaters are gonna cheat and they will get away with it. For those who think about cheating and make that leap a lot of the time they get caught regardless.

There are those kinds of folks that are still out there that won't cheat no matter what. It's just not in their "DNA" to take anything illegal or would be seen as a foriegn element that they are just unwilling to intake.

Even then it was widely known and accepted in Baseball that 90% of the leauge was on roids there were that 10% who never touched the stuff and wouldn't go near it even when the owners were forcing it down their throats. In boxing there are those same kinds of folks out there like Nard, Manny and Floyd. They live clean lives outside of the ring and they live it especially when they are training for a fight.

The US is behind with drug testing in some sports but they are moving, slowly towards improving on the testing protocol for all sports. Its gonna take time but it will get done.

 

Yet she was stripped from all Olympic medals and prizes, was banned for 2 years (not effective as she retired), was publicly disgraced and spent jailtime (that for previously lying to the court). And there's a big difference of failing once and using once. 99.9% of the cheating athletes never get caught. If not for the BALCO scandal, Shane would've been one of those who got away with it as he never failed a test.

 

anyone who says that boxing shouldnt have the most stringent drug tests available is quite simply ******ed. they are letting their personal favouritism for a fighter get in the way of what is best for the sort and for the fighters. drugs testing in boxing is ridiculously lax. impretty sure any boxer could beat the tests. any effort to make the sport less corrupt should be embraced, and whoever argues against it is ******ed. simply saying fighters are clean because you like them is ******ed. you are all ******ed.

 

The guy who only fight once a year ?

 

I'm American and I've done a fair amount of research on the subject. PED's have been used in the Olympics and Football for approximately 50 years now (a little longer in the Olympics) and in essentially every other major sport following that. It's simply the cost of doing business now and if you gave me 10-1 odds that any less than 50% of top level athletes in any sport are using or have used, I still wouldn't take the bet.

The constant call for testing is something that is also born out of naivety, even if it's for the right reasons. There's only so much that can be done and PED use is going nowhere because of a few simple dynamics, like these:

1) The creators of PED's have the "first mover" advantage- testing orgs can only test for what they know of, and still cannot effectively test for a number of things they do know of. HGH is celebrating its 40th year in sports in 2011 and there is still no genuinely effective test for it.

2) There is significantly more money being made and therefore invested in the creation and distribution side than the side developing tests. Another competitive disadvantage for the testing organizations.

3) Sports benefit financially from PED's, as long as public scandals don't break. The owners, athletes, and countries make more money and prestige from there being PED's in sports, so there is little motivation for them to eliminate their use. This is the real reason testing exists- to create the illusion that sports don't want PED's so the league/country has plausible deniability to the public if a scandal hits. Baseball's mistake was not having one in place, whereas football has benefited immensely from a weak testing regimen because it gives the appearance of cleanliness. And this works because of............

The fans themselves. That's right. You and me, and all the other screaming fans that go ape **** and idolize optimum athletic performance in our sports. The love, respect, and immense financial security that being a superstar athlete gets ensures that their motivation is going nowhere. But we have expectations, too. We demand athletic progress because we've seen it happen for the past 50 years and it's too late to put the cat in the bag. We want sports and our athletes to continue to advance and get bigger, stronger, and faster. We also want to bury our heads in the sand and don't want to know that the only way athletes can continue to meet OUR standard is to juice up. We pretend that all these "advancements" are happening that have eliminated steroids/hgh/other ped's from the equation, and it's a ****ing copout on our parts. It's bull****. The bottom line is we pay for dirty winners (as long as we can pretend they're not), not clean losers. As long as a scapegoat gets run over for the witch hunting crowd every once in awhile, people can simply ignore the widespread epidemic taking place.

 

Exactly. Boxing is a politics. Oscar was accused of using PEDS and there are rumors that he actually failed drug tests in the past but due to political agendas and since he was the face of boxing, he was never brought down. I'm not saying Pac is on drugs and I'm not saying Floyd is dirty either since his father was the trainer of ODLH at the time and it's kinda funny how Floyd Sr. is quick to throw the PEDS accusations when his own fighter had rumors lingering about him using PEDS.

 

It seems that Russia and several European countries prohibited steroids "after" the U.S. did and it seems that record bust for underground steroids are still in Europe and it seems that no one has been as Naïveté as the German people who were totally dumbfounded that their scientists and Soviet scientists were the masters of cheating PEDS, including synthetic steroids from 1936 until 1982 when the International Olympic Council finally caught on. In fact, Hitler is known to have used steroids and other PEDS on himself and the Nazis are believed to have used them in the 1936 Olympics and on their so called Aryan soldiers. Anyway the Southeast Asians have been sprinkling dried testicles of tigers and other beasts in their wines and soups for about five thousand years and all to promote vigor. The Egyptians taught the practice to the Greek Pythagoras who taught it to the ancient Olympians who began eating sheep testicles. The first modern scientist to both REdiscover and inject himself with steroids was the son of an AMERICAN (Doctor Charles E. Brown via a small island of the coast of Madagascar) who made concoctions of dog and guinea pig testicles.

 

Seems like here they only care if it's someone not from the U.S roiding. Mosley and Holyfield did it and it's like it never happened for them, foreign fighters would "lose all credit". I love Mosley but still...

 

Wrong! Discerning Americans are very concerned about it but GBP affiliate USADA/Tygart does seem to be a biased racket, as are Don King and the Nation of Islam who seem to have promoted steroid use for a long time as an answer to Nazi and neonazi propoganda

 

Take a bow son, take a bow. Fantastic post mate