Dubois is currently HW 3rd Place?

Totally get where you're coming from, but tbh while the Miller win was for his zero and a good showing from Dubios, Miller doesn't really have any good wins outside of a draw with Ruiz. I wouldn't put him in Fury's top 5, but you could maybe argue top ten. Hrgovic would be outside of his top 5 as well imo, with AJ in the top 5.

Hrgovic and AJ were Dubios two biggest wins of his last three and imo about as good as Parkers last two overall. You'll notice my ranking for Parker didn't change prior Dubios v AJ, because in my view you need to beat the man or someone above to take his ranking or in the case of #2 you need to be next in line, so I've stayed consistent in this regard.

Fury holds his ranking as he's next in line at number 1 and overall has a better record and list of achievements with only one loss. If he loses again he drops to #3 while Dubios would presumably be next in line for a shot at Usyk (even though I think Parker should be next).

As for how much time should pass before other contenders rise due to another's inactivity, I don't have an answer for you at this stage as Fury's next fight and last were literally against the undisputed champion. He had less filler fights between Wilder and Usyk than AJ did Usyk to Dubios. The sanctioning bodies need to do more to force these guys to fight or drop rank.

 

Fair enough
Don't completely agree with everything you have said but fair enough

I'm not sure why you note the time for the filler fights without noting the timescales as well
Fury had less filler fights between Wladimir and Wilder than Joshua did between Usyk and Dubois but the timescales are completely different and the timescales are a factor as well

 

why wouldn't he be 2nd? Fury last fight was a lost as was Joshua. So 1 Usyk and 2 is Dubois.

Rematch clause and getting a shot at the title again does not get you points.

 

Fury technically retired between Wlad and Wilder. Usyk basically only fights once a year as well. The HW division moves at a snails pace tbh, and I'm hoping that changes.

 

Technically?
I recall Joshua calling him out after the Wladimir fight and Fury responding
So if someone retires, do you feel they should automatically be reinstated in a high rated position if they come back after a few years?

Yes the pace is slow. Usyk isn't massively active but some of it is down to circumstances
Fury decided to have the warm up against Chisora, decided after that to face Ngannou, the date after that which was to face Usyk was put back for Fury, then Fury had to postpone, also there was the negotiation issues which I think most fans know before the Ngannou fight

 

He’s number 1 you dunce

 

Usyk
Fury
Parker
Zhang
Dubois

 

He didn't call Fury out when he returned though. Can't remember what Fury was ranked at when he returned tbh, but he was still lineal champion in many peoples eyes which is probably why it'd be higher than normal.

Usyk seems to have a unique privilege where it's ok for him to be less active than others which is BS imo. They should all be fighting 2-3 times a year.

 

I think I read Fury was offered 40% but wanted 50% even though he didn't have any titles or a big win for years

Did you view Fury as the lineal champ when returned considering you felt he technically retired?

He is not overly active and I'm not making excuses but I see both sides. COVID was a factor, I guess he was possibly tied into the Joshua rematch. We know there was the negotiation issues and delays with the Fury fight

 

To me if you're going to call someone out and want the fight you're gonna have to make some concessions. Equal share doesn't seem greedy to me, especially for a high profile domestic match up.

I don't think Fury was retired long enough for a new lineage to be established personally, Rummy has a great video on that controversial topic.

 

Just to put it in perspective

Fury had one big win over Klitschko and then didn't fight for a period of time
In that period of time and in 3 separate fights Joshua won WBA, WBO and IBF titles, beat 2 reigning champions and Klitschko as well yet you feel he should be making concessions?
I am not knowledgeable on the fighters percentages but thought 40% would have been good for a beltless challenger?
I seem to think when Joshua lost to Usyk I think Fury said 40% to Joshua etc, so do you think it was greedy then when Joshua was beltless? And think Fury should make the same concessions especially for a high profile domestic match up?

So just for the record you felt during these times that 40% was greedy?

I saw rummys video. It was partially made based on a thread I started.
That was his opinion not anymore than I don't think

So I am guessing you viewed Pianetta and Seferi as lineal title defences?

So be honest. If there had have been a freak event and Fury say sprained his ankle, and couldn't continue and Seferi had have won. Would you be calling Seferi the lineal HW champion?

 

Fury won the belts off Klitschko first and still retained lineal status imo. 50/50 is a fair request, and if AJ really wanted the fight (you're the one claiming he called him out) then he could have taken it. I'm sure AJ has been getting the lions share being beltless too, so that argument doesn't really hold water mate.

Besides, when has AJ ever made concessions? He almost always has home advantage and still got the champion treatment as a title challenger against Dubios.

Yes, Fury's two tune ups were technically lineal defences. Had they somehow won they would be lineal champion. I respect Rummy's opinion and agree that at the time Fury was the lineal champion before Usyk won that distinction off him.

 

Fury wanted 50% in 2018 to fight Joshua, but accepted 43% to fight Wilder. Go figure

 

Everyone ducked the cash cow with a mediocre chin and poor defense who reacts poorly to getting punched in the head. When will these fanboys realize it.

 

AJ offered 40% and Wilder offered 43% is another way to look at it.