Dubois is currently HW 3rd Place?

Don't forget this was Wilder's first ever PPV. Imagine demanding parity with one of the biggest earners in the sport at the time, then accepting $3m to face the most fearsome puncher instead. Bit of a head scratcher

 

Joshua I seem to recall called out for Fury after the Klitschko fight

What is the difference in money?
Also Joshua was a far bigger name than Wilder and had 3 belts to Wilders 1

Ok I guess we have done this to death now
So you feel Fury doesn't have to fight for years and can still be lineal champion and Usyk only is now because he beat Fury even though earlier you claimed Fury was retired at one point
And
You felt Seferi was a lineal title defence

You failed to mention how anyone else could ever become lineal with that scenario and with Fury retired though

Also should add with what you wrote above but why do you not think Fury should have got 50% or more against Wilder?

 

Doesn't really matter tbh. If AJ really wanted to fight Fury he could have made that happen.

Fury retired after fighting Klitschko due to personal reasons. Not enough happened in the division for a new lineal champion to be established, and AJ did not beat the man who beat the man.

Again, Rummy's video covers it rather well and I agree fully with him on the lineal timeline.

This whole bigger name/more trinkets argument is irrelevant. If AJ wanted the fight he could have had it by going 50/50, and he refused to call out Fury's name after his comeback against Wilder.

Out of the original "big 3" AJ was the only one who didn't fight any of the other two. Maybe he needed to adjust his greed for a moment because Wilder and Fury had no trouble organizing a fight. Issue seems to lay with AJ being a diva and trying to short change his opponents.

 

tbh I doubt that very much, having seen Fury negotiating publicly with Usyk (and before that Whyte, before that Wilder 3). We know Mr. 70-30 even when he gets everything he asks for, still can't be relied upon.

 

Yet he had no issues getting Wilder 1 and 2 done.

Not defending his negotiations with Usyk, but that's not really the focus of the post tbh.

 

Actually, there were issues getting Wilder 2 done. Fury pulled out of the initial rematch. It was big news at the time.

But sure, we don't need to relitigate all of Fury's self-emposed problems during negotiations. As you suggest, this thread is about whether Dubois should be ranked #3 or not.

 

It was more in response to why AJ Fury didn't eventuate, but sure.

Dubios is #3.

 

So that doesn't apply to Fury as well?
Joshua has the belts and Fury didn't but you put it all on Joshua?
I noticed you didn't answer this above and skate around the Wilder scenario at that time

Once again you are skirting around the questions

How could someone beat the man if the man is retired or not fighting?
Tell me
See above
You failed to mention how anyone else could ever become lineal with that scenario and with Fury retired though

Not enough happened?
Fury beat Wladimir who held the WBO, WBA and IBF titles and who never fought for the WBC title
Joshua in 3 separate fights went out and won those exact 3 titles Fury didn't defend.
Now I'm not saying Joshua became lineal champion but I am questioning how Fury could still be after that when he wasn't fighting

You are trying to get out of answering by saying this
Forget what somebody else is saying here, I am talking with you

Funny how now, winning titles has become irrelevant but by saying this you are avoiding answering what was said about Fury taking less than 50% against Wilder if that is accurate?

I thought Joshua was agreed to be facing Fury only for Fury to not be able to face Joshua as he had to fight Wilder again?
Could be wrong

You may well be right but it still shows that you are dodging the questions above and trying to avoid it

I also thought it was Joshua, Wilder, Parker and Fury and Joshua fought Parker, in a unification no less

 

Do you not see the difference.
He was beltless going into Wilder fights 1 & 2

You have tied yourself up with what you have written about greed and getting 50% etc now

 

Technically he was still lineal champion, which does matter to some fans.

The point remains that AJ never managed to make a fight with any of his major rivals at the time, whereas the other two did. That would indicate AJ was asking for too much, didn't really want to pursue the fight or both.

But hey, I'll agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

You claimed AJ wanted the fight, I didn't claim the opposite. Fury took on Wilder because he obviously offered a better deal in his eyes.

Again, refer to Rummy's video. He explains it much better with me with historical context.

The big three were widely considered to be AJ, Wilder and Fury. Parker wasn't, and that's coming from a fan of his.

The belts being irrelevant pertain to actually wanting the fight. If you actually want a fight you don't price yourself out because you happen to hold a trinket, you make the concessions and get it done like Usyk did and reap the rewards.

 

Technically because he kept saying it
The Ring notes who they feel is lineal and they didn't recognise him as, at that point

He did.
He had the unification with Parker and the Klitschko fight
You are saying it like Wilder and Fury got to face all comers
It was Joshua that took the Wladimir fight when Fury decided not to fight, Joshua that had the Parker unification, Joshua that had the Martin fight. Wilder was due to fight Povetkin but it was Joshua who did
It was Joshua that went into 2 Usyk fights which seemed to happen without issue
It was the Usyk Fury bout that seemed to have issues with the financial splits for a while

With what you are saying above you are tying yourself up again as I believe Fury/Usyk was. 70/30 split
Surely if someone wanted it, would be 50/50 with what you wrote previously?

Fair enough

 

I didn't claim
I said he called out Fury after the Wladimir fight and I read there was a 40% offer made
I don't know what percentage other challengers were being offered but I didn't think 40% against a 3 belt holder was bad?

Hypothetically
So would you think it better if you got a split of 43% of say 1million
Or 40% of 2 million

If you got 1 belt on the 43%
Or if you got 3 belts on the 40%

He was when Joshua fought him
They even talked about Parker as a rival world champion on a talk show Joshua was a guest on.
It became the big 3 when Joshua beat one of the others and when Fury beat Wilder would have become the big 2 but Usyk changed all of that

Explain how 40% to a challenger when holding 3 belts is pricing yourself out and the belts aren't irrelevant when purse splits happen
Remember Fury and Whyte?

So you are indicating to me that you feel Fury didn't want some of the fights he had as he had various disputes over purse splits?

 

1 USKY 2. Fury 3. Parker 4. DDD 5. Big Bang

Dubois should face Parker or Zhang, Joshua get back in line, no rematch his performance doesn't warrant it. Why should he get a rematch on that basis apart from Al-Sheikh salavating for Fury vs Joshua? Parker last two wins = Wilder, Zhang (off the floor twice from heavy knockdowns) Joshua last two wins = Wallin, Ngannou