Dundee or Steward Who was the greater trainer?

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  1. Austinboxing

    Austinboxing British Boxer Full Member

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    If you were a fighter would you rather have Angelo Dundee or Emanuel Steward in your corner?
     
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  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Steward for me. Unless i was known for laying back too much and needed corner motivation to fire. It's Dundee then.
     
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  3. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't believe Dundee took any fighter from amateur to
    a pro world champion. Stuart did , multiple times,
    Stuart for me.
     
  4. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Steward , and I don't think it's close
     
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  5. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Member Full Member

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    Steward for a trainer, I have Dundee as my cut man, he was one of the best in that department.
     
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  6. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Also a much better motivator .
     
  7. Philly161

    Philly161 "Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless" Full Member

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    I know this is a sacrilege, but I think Angelo Dundee is overrated as a trainer. Obviously he was a good trainer, but his biggest claim to fame was just letting Ali be Ali and yelling "you're blowing it son" to SRL... Like great advice Angelo how about some actual boxing suggestion?

    I'll admit a lot of my opinion is related to how long he let Ali fight and the fact that he was willing to send Ali back out in manilla even tho ali was near death. Yes he stopped the Holmes fights mercifully but I doubt Stewart would have cornered for a fighter in the condition Ali was for Holmes.
     
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  8. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hard to say one trainer is better than the other once a trainer has 30+ years experience under their belt and has trained multiple world champions, which is the case for both Dundee and Steward.
     
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  9. White Bomber

    White Bomber Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's Emanuel Steward, not Stuart :duh:duh:duh
    And he was way better than Dundee
     
  10. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Definitely Steward. Not to take a thing at away from AD but Steward had a way of taking anyone and improved them.
     
  11. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Resident Gadfly Full Member

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    Dundee did little to nothing to compare to “Steward” he’s not a boxing trainer from what I’ve seen. I really can’t find anything, most people who’ve seen him in the gym think he does scant work. Leonard’s AM guys took care of him, Ali did what he want… this sort of comment has been done to death, point is Dundee and Steward are nothing alike.
     
  12. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Angelo like most trainers take more of a finishers role once they become fully established and in demand, since once in high demand they simply don't have the time to work with a fighter on a day to day basis, since that's more of an assistant trainer's role. Angelo already did extensive day to day gym work with fighters for years as an assistant trainer in the 40's and 50's.

    As for Leonard Angelo was specifically brought in as an advisor, matchmaker, and cornerman. The day to day training was left to the assistant trainers Dave Jacobs and Janks Morton. Manny himself became more of finish man than a day to day trainer once he was fully established and in demand. When he trained Wlad most of the day to day training was handled by the assistant trainer James Ali Bashir and for Lennox Manny left the day to day stuff to assistant trainer Harold Knight. Manny would show up in the final weeks before a fight and oversee things much like Angelo did when he trained Ali, Leonard, etc.. Guys like Futch, Benton, Dick Saddler, and Goldman all did the same as well.


    At 3:05 a young man asks Ali how he rates Dundee as a trainer and Ali sums up very well what makes a great trainer.
     
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  13. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Resident Gadfly Full Member

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    My question remains. Who did Angelo build and train?
     
  14. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Resident Gadfly Full Member

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    Ezzard Charles.
     
  15. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Both sales men.

    There must be many trainers just as good as either of them that lack their influence in the media and ability to promote themselves, delegate, organise and think on the spot.

    quieter individuals satisfied with working with kids know just as much.
     
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