Dundees, Ali and the Liston dives

Dundee himself puts it down to something they were rubbing on Liston's injured shoulder getting on the gloves, he also said the Ali camp had heard that Liston had injured his shoulder in training. Which was interesting to read as most people seem to think he made the injury up.

 

First fight: I heard, by word of mouth (from someone seated near Sonny Liston's corner), that they were using something on Liston's shoulder that looked and smelled like horse liniment. Maybe some of that found its way onto the gloves and into Clay's eyes. Through stupidity, I managed to get some horse liniment in my eye one time. It hurts like hell!

 

You fell for the super impossed hoax. Its been looked at by expert after expert. The picture is real. Oswald wife admtted that she took it, and it was his rifle.

The whole JFK conspiracy thing is the biggest hoax ever.

 

Liston spat his gumshield out.When he came back to the corner and sat down he said"thats it", Willie Reddish ,thought that it meant Sonny was going to get down to business,he said his heart sank like a stone when Liston said "I told you, thats it cut the gloves off".

 

Liston certainly didn't do a very good impression of a man who wanted to continue. Buster Douglas looked just as keen to fight on against Holyfield. :hey

 

Interesting comment in "TheGreatA" post. Liston claiming to have been unwilling to get off the floor due to Ali standing over him, and worried about being hit whilst unprotected on the way up..???

Surely Sonny was less than a genius... but this comment is suggesting he didn't know of the recent ruling.. which had been in place for 40+ years in US boxing rings...

I dont remember Sonny belting someone who was getting up again... He either assumed Clay was totally nuts and willing to hit him, or Sonny was looking for a poor excuse to stay on the floor.

 

Of course. It's not as if an active fighter like Liston could ever tell, say, The Philadelphia Enquirer: "Oh yeah guv'nor, I dived in the rematch everybody knows that. Now, do you know anyone who can get me a shot at Frazier"?

 

No. Too far gone to beat a man of Frazier's calibre for me if we're talking 68 onwards, Sonny still very strong of course and heavy handed with the jab (but it arrives that split-second later). I think the pace Joe puts up would be too much after a few rounds, Liston would have to get him out there in three or he wouldn't last. Frazier stoppage around the 8th.

 

Would have been something to see regardless. IMO, Liston would have taken a 'less threatened stance' against Joe. Perhaps having mental images of a genuine possibility of beating Joe in days before Frazier Championship reign.