Duran and Leonard made ridiculous comments. Like the fab 4 again is untouchable.

I rank it on a p4p list.

Duran beat the 2nd best Welter in history. Went the distance againt the 6th best middle weight in history, and became the middleweight title holder at 38 when he beat Barkley. The same Barkley who beat Hearns twice. The smallest of these fighters in terms of height had a 3" height advantage, and Barkley and Hearns virtually towered over him and were 6" taller. Barkley's best weight was at 160, Hearns at 154 and Duran at 135.

All of this above his best weight, where he was 71-1 before moving up.

 

Obviously, Floyd is better than Viruet and Bizzaro...I just used those two as examples of mobile fighters who were capable of lasting the distance (or at least for a pretty long time) against Duran; in order to illustrate the point that FMJ stands a good chance of lasting the distance against Manos in a hypothetical match-up.

As for Floyd's cherry-picking, I think it's less a factor when discussing hypothetical match-ups at 130 and 135, since he wasn't as selective in the earlier stages of his career.

 

I agree. Floyd did not have the power to cherrypick in his early career as he does now.

 

71-1 without beating a great fighter at 135 or below. He beat Dejesus and Buchanan, but you think they are ATG?. That is significant. He is great because he was dominant, but even Mike Tyson in his first year and a half as champion fought Larry Holmes and Michael Spinks.

 

I agree that they would've beaten today's modern boxers like prime for prime like Mayweather, Pacquiao and Marquez. However I see a lot of people say the modern guys wouldn't even be competitive and be stopped inside 3 rounds is nonsense.

 

He didn't move up to fight Leonard, he was fighting Palomino at 147 a full year prior to the Brawl in Montreal (which is actually pretty impressive considering he totally dominated him). He didn't move up so much as he simply outgrew the lightweight division - He wasn't capable of fighting there anymore even if he'd wanted to.

 

I agree, it is not a walk over. I think Manny would fight them all. JMM and Floyd might not.

 

Beyond Nonsense.

 

which shows Roberto was comfortable at the weight. And he was.

 

Roberto was comfortable at 190 lbs.

 

I don't think Marquez would've duck either. It's not in his genetic make-up. Hagler was too big for any of them obviously.

 

Yeah, I agree...but if you go back a generation, you'll find Teddy Brenner claiming that SRL wouldn't last three in a hypothetical match-up against SRR. Go forward a generation, and I'll bet any amount of money that the next wave of posters would pick their No-Blueprint fighter to tool FMJ, SRL and SRR on the same night.

The more things change...

 

Yeah I remember when I first came here I posted almost exclusively in Classic and kind of **** on the 'modern fight game' despite being all of 26 years old sometime a while ago I let that **** go - I still do love the classic legends - and started really enjoying what's in front of us now. I think the structure and climate of boxing right now makes it difficult for any fighter to become great, but there are certainly A LOT of guys I really enjoy watching fight. So pardon me for not really giving a rats how they'd fare in mythical matchups against - somewhat - mythical fighters.

 

JMM ducks a little and handpicks, not as obvious as Floyd, but all those guys at 140 like Garcia,Rios,Judah and he has not fought any of them. The reason he is fighting Bradley is because of how bad Bradley looked in his last fight.

 

Well I think that would suggest the majority know nothing.
The guy who beat them all should most likely rank at the top.
And he packed more into 6 fights than Duran did at lightweight during all those years.
Yes he beat Leonard,but spare me the **** about being overweight and not ready for the rematch.He beat Ray at his own mindgames first time around,and if he really took things seriously,he would've kept himself in shape.
I fail to see how when Duran is 1-4 against the fab 4,he bests Ray who is 4-1-1 under the same criteria.
And I'm prepared to cancel out anything that happened post 87,which still leaves Ray 3-1 with his only defeat avenged.