Duran and Leonard made ridiculous comments. Like the fab 4 again is untouchable.

these are two grown men entering into a contract that is legally binding, MMH had the ability to say no "I want this and that" but thought it was easy money. SRL brought the money to the table and called all the shots. from the start in boxing the stronger party has been able to dictate terms (rematch clause for the champ). The weaker party agrees to the terms because of the gain, financial or other, they will receive in return. So do not knock SRL, PBF, Pac, or anybody else for using the leverage they have because both sides get something out of the deal.


In other words . . . dont hurt the playa hate the game:bbb

 

Fair enough, but at the same time if one boxer has the ability to dictate which gloves are used, ring size etc, then the outcome is already skewed in his favour before they even get in the ring. But since it is what it is, I guess it's the game I hate..

 

And bravo to you for that. Either way one looks at it, top 15 or so all-time is incredibly rarefied air. That's the seriously elite.
To me at that point, it doesn't really matter who ranks where, because it's an amazing accomplishment just to be considered for such an elite group.

 

the odd thing about ranking is that most people think if a great is not ranked 1-10, they are not great. At this point after so many great fighters, even ranked top 50 is something special.

 

Definitely. :good

 

Who the **** knows what would happen? No one. Just a bunch of assholes and opinions. **** fantasy bouts... But what I do know for a fact is that old people think everything from their youth was better. Better music, better movies, better bitches, better clothes, and of course better boxers. So nowadays we can all forget about the gift decisions, knockdowns cherry picks, and underwhelming performances, dip there balls in gold and put ATG after there names. Wait 20 years and Mayweather will be the boxing Jesus

 

Nostalgia is definitely a factor sometimes, but it doesn't blind everyone. Look at how Marciano is looked at today in comparison to someone like Ali. Mayweather has fought in an era where so much footage and information on his fights and choices have been recorded that future boxing fans will be able to pick his career apart in great detail. I'm sure he'll have his supporters, but I think a lot of others won't be as impressed, as his resume doesn't match his talent.

 

floyd could get beat by them been also could win against them....i only see hearns beating him.....hagler fight isnt even even realitstic

 

It really wasn't as dramatic as it's made out to be though:

* SRL deferred the higher pay day to Hagler.

* The ring size was the same as it was when Hagler fought both Hearns and Mugabi.

* The number of rounds were the same as they were when Hagler fought both Hearns and Mugabi.

* Hagler was still considered the #1 P4P fighter in boxing, and had reigned as Undisputed Middleweight Champion for seven years.

* Leonard had fought only once in the previous five years leading up to the fight, and never before at Middleweight.

* Leonard was a 4-1 underdog

I mean, what do you want really? He threw pitty pat punches? Then why couldn't Hagler walk through them with ease when SRL's movement slowed considerably after four rounds and he was cornered, forced to stand and fight at various different points?

It's a lot of excuses.

 

Can you believe it, MAG? Benitez was shot to **** by 1979. :rofl atsch

 

I was glad he said that.It shows the angle that certain people are coming from.

 

It's a common misconception that Leonard just 'shoeshined' his way to victory against Hagler with meaningless flurries and pitter-pat punches. I think that misconception stems from those youtube highlights, to be honest.

Leonard hit Hagler with plenty of hard shots, and in fact the first real meaningful punch in the fight was a stiff right hand that Leonard landed on Hagler in the first round.
Years later, in the telecast of the Hearns v Leonard II fight, Marvin admitted that Leonard could punch, although he followed that up quickly with "but he didn't hurt me" which I can believe.
But yeah, Leonard was hitting Hagler, make no mistake.

 

If you take away that shared rounds nonsense that so many people seem to still favour even though judges are actively discouraged from scoring that way,it's as clear a 116-112 as you'll ever see.
The very tight rounds can be broke down into minutes,and in the vast majority Hagler throws away rounds he started well.
I used to be conned into thinking it was a pick em decision,but it's an absolutely clear 8-4 fight.

 

7-5 here, but yes clear. In any case, I'm sick of hearing about how it isn't one of the best wins of all-time when it clearly is. I'm tough on Hagler and consider him overrated in an all-time P4P sense, but he definitely earned his mettle as a Top 5 ATG Middleweight, which is where Ray beat him. So no, I'm not contradicting myself. :yep

 

Benitez fought in 1982,when he held his last world title, going 15 rounds with both Roberto Duran and Thomas Hearns. What hurt Benitez was picking Hamsho as a fight when he moved up to middleweight in 1983 or 1984. , the same mistake Bobby Czyz made. Benitez took some punishment in that fight. Middleweight was not the weight for Wilfred that is for sure. He should have stayed at 154 for the rest of his career.